It surely is enough to convict Rossi of war crimes, bleh, it's only use is as a drop or two for a Gin Martini, anything else and you might as well guzzle, NyQuil.
Posted on 11/24/2011 10:44:11 AM PST by Kevmo
Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
admin on November 23, 2011 — 6 Comments
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The following was posted on the Facebook Energy Catalyzer page. It comes from Hampus Ericsson who attended Sven Kullander’s Örebro talk today. Kullander has been a key player in gaining Rossi credibility in the past few months. Taken in the sweep, it appears to me that he believes in Rossi and his claims but reserves the right to be wrong until definitive independent tests drive the nail home. His comment about AR’s prickly response to anyone who distrusts him is interesting. This flies counter to his public stance on genuine scepticism. No scientist should work completely on trust. No scientist will truly trust him/herself. Perhaps the comment relates to personal attacks on his integrity. That I would understand. He is right to be angry at those type of attacks.
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.
Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.
Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .
He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.
Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.
He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.
Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.
One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.
He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.
Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste
[With thanks to Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]
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More On The Sven Kullander eCat Talk
admin on November 24, 2011 — 11 Comments
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The pedigree of Sven Kullander and Hanno Essen is interesting. From Wikipedia:
Professor Kullander is professor emeritus of High Energy Physics at Uppsala University. Kullander received his doctorate from Uppsala University in 1971. Since 1990, Kullander has been a member of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and chairman of its Energy Committee
Hanno Essén is an associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society
Their role in the Andrea Rossi affair began when they expressed an interest in the eCat and then attended a Bologna demo. During that demo, the eCat seemed to produce around 5kW of heat from a small sealed vessel (50 ccm) containing Hydrogen and Nickel. They were allowed to check for hidden conduits and examine the instruments and various elements of the system. They were not allowed access to the core but since it was small and the claimed energy large, it was reasonable to treat the device as a black box to determine its utility.
In many of the arguments posed by reasonable and unreasonable sceptics alike, doubt is often cast on those attending these events. Various inventions are created to explain why otherwise intelligent people could be so stupid as to fall for Rossi’s tricks. Senility, stupidity, human error, dishonesty, fraud and gullibility are all wheeled out in turn. If you have been there and leave believing the claim might be real, there has to be something wrong – you are either in on the scam or too dumb to see it.
No one can accuse Kullander or Essen of not being independent. How often have we heard that a scammer would never let an independent and qualified scientist near their scamming machine? And yet, here we have two physicists, both active and experienced, one the chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ (of Nobel fame) Energy Committee and the other the former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics’ Society and both allowed dangerous and intimate access to a working eCat.
Both scientists are well aware that what they saw and measured does not constitute proof and neither can say with certainty that Rossi’s claims are true. They would be foolish to do so. Indeed both admit that they could not check everything and although they do not suspect fraud, they have to leave that door open as a small possibility.
They published a travel report detailing the demo and results and expressing their belief that (assuming no fraud) the eCat was producing so much energy that it had to be nuclear in origin.
For many months, both scientists remained out of the light and some hard sceptics wondered if they were distancing themselves from Rossi and that report – now embarrassed that they had ever been involved. However, recently Kullander has begun to publicly reveal his current thinking and yesterday gave a talk (Swedish) to an audience in Örebro. Today, Ny Teknik, the Swedish magazine responsible for extensive reporting throughout the year has published a pdf of that talk. Together with an audio recording by a member of the audience (again, in Swedish) and a variety of interpretations from around the Net, we begin to get a good idea of Kullander’s current view of Rossi and the eCat. It is nuanced and intelligent and does not conform to that expected of the term ‘Believer’.
To be fair, I doubt a reasonable sceptic would place that moniker on him as the scientist clearly leaves room for his conclusions to be wrong. That said, most of us have read others who are less supportive than Kullander being labeled as a believer as though the tag could colour you gullible.
The following has been Googleized from a report by Bertil Nilsson on a Swedish forum discussing Kullander’s talk (here is the audio):
Biggest “scoop” is well that, according to Rossi, it works without a catalyst. It can be measured net energy even with only nickel and hydrogen. He says that as a reason why his patent to go through. But it opens the course for the reproduction of this, we have many who can kalimoetri precision now after all the thinking.
Kullander is deeply skeptical of the proton capture of nickel, believes that there are other possibilities. He outlined a number of them, but I must return later. I can not enough to sum up the piece. He was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas
Kullander told further about their personal experiences of a large number of people at the University of Bologna has been more or less concerned about the ECAT, the most active of course Focardi and Levi. He feels these people knowledgeable and up to serious, from the president down. Kullander feel even Rossi as sincere and serious and a very knowledgeable and skilled engineer but somewhat discursive reasoning when entering the field of physics. He also talked about discussions he had with Levi for a large number of tests that are not described but conducted by Levi, who personally knows the ECAT works.
Kullander believes that Rossi for their own sake must be sure to get an independent verification of heat output and that he was not to be overtaken should ally itself with some great players, like Siemens or ABB. One problem here may be that Rossi has a deep personal relationship with their cats, as he usually describe them. Kullander has offered Rossi to test and verify an ECAT in Uppsala in collaboration with the University of Bologna. Discussions on this are ongoing. Kullander preclude an agreement whereby secrecy around that they have an ECAT in place or that the results may not be shown publicly.
The above is in addition to yesterday’s report which I repeat here:
I couldn’t stay for all of it because I have a train to catch. The lecture was good. He started by going I’ve all different types of nuclear power. And then he talked about hot fusion and when that might be functional.
Then the good par came, he talked about all the different test that have been made of Rossi’s ecat( basically read the NyTeknik reports.
Then he talked about his own test, he said that it proved that heat was made but he couldn’t say how, and he dont believe it’s cold fusion because that impossible by today’s science. But it could only be explained by cold fusion happening. He was very confused .
He also said that Rossi is definitely not a fraud and that his friend Focardi and Levi is absolutely not frauds. They are his friends and he trust them.
Rossi on the other had he said to be a black box.
He said that NASA had contacted him and asked about rossis ecat. So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.
Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.
He also said that Rossi can be a little bit angry at people who don’t trust him. That’s why Sven have kept on Rossi god side and never told him that it don’t work.
Sven said that he have asked Rossi if Uppsala university can independently test the device, with the demand that all information will be reveled to the public. If Rossi says no to this Uppsala will not test the device.
One of the most interesting thins was that Sven kullander sad that Focardi and Levi are both excellent professor that he believe a 100% in, Rossi on the other hand is a little bit of a black box. He said that there are two black boxes in this history, Rossi and he ecat.
He also said that his colleague Roland Peterson (think that was his name) is very positive on the ecat.
Sven also showed the test of the nickel fuel and the copper nickel that is left after the reaction. They will come out with a full article on this when all the testing is done. But the first test show copper in the waste.
[With thanks to Tom in the eCatNews.com comments section and Akira Shirakawa on Vortex]
Go back and take a good look at his "convictions" ~ they didn't stick. He got most of them dropped, and he beat all but 5 of them ~ they were "technical violations" of interest only to the Italian equivalent of the EPA and reading between all the lines only one of them wasn't reversed by the appeals court.
We have a number of choices here ~ a mob guy who penetrates the international alternative energy research community, or, a government guy who penetrates the Italian mob regarding phony oil recycling, or, an inventor who simply gets caught up in what turned out to be mob intrigue and the international alternative energy research community.
He goes with the Italian guys because they grew up listening to their grandparents so they know what he's saying ~ or a couple of people have 3 Sicilian grandparents we don't know about and count find either.
Again with the non sequitur?? Are you the inspiration for this:
Johnny B. Don't fall for this, you bring up excellent and rational points and they're hand-waived away to go in another tangent and you will never get a straight answer.
That gave him a few months to convert it to his e-cat modules (or just charge it up and add some water tubes and a couple of e-cats for display).
The court is not out on this guy ~ but he has some pretty highly placed relationships ~ and then there's his landlord. That could be a private issue or maybe Norwood has lots of bucks.
A worst case on the Norwood deal may be that Rossi burned down the building Norwood owned but he didn't have any insurance. It wasn't arson, just an accident with an early prototype e-cat that overheated (not all that hard ~ things run 1200 degrees). So he has to "stay in touch" with Norwood until he can figure out how to pay for losing his building.
BTW, plenty of sites offering titanium master cylinders ~ Taiwan, China, UK, Brazil ~ all sorts of places.
So, why would they do that? Safety might be one. Maybe governments require it ~ something has to make our robotically assembled cars as expensive as they are so why not regulatory excess.
You are familiar with the concept of how this site works, yes?
No, you can look for your own car parts in the future now that you’ve shown us you know how to find other sorts of references.
Clearly I am an idiot for even going here but from Rossi's own mouth he talked about the operating temps for his E-scam and it was 1/2 and less of what you posted. If it had those kind of temps, it could power a steam turbine.
Do not bring up Gaea, the Apollo program or Wheaties or their relationship with the mob. Do try to keep on the subject.
He’s run it hotter in the past ~ 1200 F is 648 C
Too many "names" at the October 28 event.Only a few of then needed to be "in" on it. In particular, the mystery "NATO Colonel" would have to be part of the con. I find it interesting that in spite of the massive interest and research being done on every detail of this story, I haven't seen any reference to this person prior to his appearance at the demo. I haven't been able to dig up anything, but that doesn't really mean anything, since Rossi is probably lying about his name.
Go back and take a good look at his "convictions" ~ they didn't stick. He got most of them dropped, and he beat all but 5 of them ~ they were "technical violations" of interest only to the Italian equivalent of the EPA and reading between all the lines only one of them wasn't reversed by the appeals court.I haven't been able to find the details of his acquittals. Even if he did "get off" on the Petrol Dragon charges, there were still two other serious crimes (fake gold shipments and gutting a company as it was going into bankruptcy).
And, there is the fact that his claims of converting waste into oil were false. I wonder what other inventions he has that don't work even though he claims they do?
It was your link to your B.S. story and it had nothing to do with whatever insane point you were trying to make so don't think I'm searching for it.
Isn't it time for Mr. Thorazine?
Johnny B. Don't fall for this, you bring up excellent and rational points and they're hand-waived away to go in another tangent and you will never get a straight answer.I know what you're saying. muawiyah does veer something fierce. But sometimes he comes up with something worthwhile (like pointing out that I didn't actually have any evidence to support that Rossi was the guy behind the Army story.
At some point, he'll get so weird that I'll give up. After all, as long as Kevmo's around, there will always be another thread just a few hours away!
worst case on the Norwood deal may be that Rossi burned down the building Norwood owned but he didn't have any insurance. It wasn't arson, just an accident with an early prototype e-cat that overheated (not all that hard ~ things run 1200 degrees). So he has to "stay in touch" with Norwood until he can figure out how to pay for losing his building.What a creative idea! Except that there is no indication that Rossi had even dreamed up this scheme way back then.
A much more likely theory is that Rossi had embezzled the money from the Army, and torched the factory to cover the fact that he didn't actually have any of the hardware he had supposedly bought. Also, that would destroy the prototype so it could never examined to see how Rossi faked the early demo.
There's an old joke about that: Two "legitimate" businessmen pass on the street. One says to the other, "I heard that your factory burned down! What a shame!" The other says, "Not so loud! That's next Tuesday!"
Link:
Rossi said he found a new primary fluid that allows him to run at 450 C now.Frankly, I'm waiting for someone other than Rossi to tell me the E-Cat works. At all. Based on their experiments, not the Rossi dog & pony shows.
Rossi had no better luck in Italy finding someone to scale up.
The report points to too many solders in a device ~ which, checking with the former control board sales rep who hangs around here, that could be the only problem but it'd get the work rejected.
He, in turn, is a partner in owning Ampenerga and has been an employee of Leonardo Technology Inc. I'm guessing all the partners except the Norwood guy have been Department of Energy employees at one time or the other.
They have a $94 million contract with DOE through LTI.
Look, I believe Rossi's part of the story when it comes to mob influence that got his oil stash declared to be a toxic waste (which is different than his output). At some point the entire Finance Police story fell to pieces and the government backed away from Rossi. That's when he moved to the USA.
So, think about it ~ we have a massive backlog of applicants to immigrate into the US. Have had it for decades.
He appears to have decided to move here AND DID SO AT WILL.
He could be well connected. His friends are certainly well connected! Most of his partners of any kind have Italian surnames too ~ which may or may not mean anything ~ could be they understand what Rossi is saying. That's a chronic complaint about the guy on every thread involving things he says in English.
Regarding Rossi's inventions we have no idea how many of him he assigned to DOE for use ~ or how many of them he really has. All those energy researchers around him might well be front men for Rossi who could be smarter than we believe.
Rossi: Here is to learn really and, honestly, when it turns to learn I am pretty fast. This collaboration is accelerating the development of the technological declinations.”What's a technological declination?
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