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Sven Kullander On Rossi And eCat
Independent ECat News ^ | November 23, 2011 | admin

Posted on 11/24/2011 10:44:11 AM PST by Kevmo

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To: Johnny B.
Too many "names" at the October 28 event.

Go back and take a good look at his "convictions" ~ they didn't stick. He got most of them dropped, and he beat all but 5 of them ~ they were "technical violations" of interest only to the Italian equivalent of the EPA and reading between all the lines only one of them wasn't reversed by the appeals court.

We have a number of choices here ~ a mob guy who penetrates the international alternative energy research community, or, a government guy who penetrates the Italian mob regarding phony oil recycling, or, an inventor who simply gets caught up in what turned out to be mob intrigue and the international alternative energy research community.

He goes with the Italian guys because they grew up listening to their grandparents so they know what he's saying ~ or a couple of people have 3 Sicilian grandparents we don't know about and count find either.

101 posted on 11/25/2011 12:41:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.
What about a connection to this?
It surely is enough to convict Rossi of war crimes, bleh, it's only use is as a drop or two for a Gin Martini, anything else and you might as well guzzle, NyQuil.


102 posted on 11/25/2011 12:44:32 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: muawiyah; Johnny B.
Wait, weren't you the one who provided a link to O'reilly's car parts page on master cylinders? The one where I searched for Titanium and it was not mentioned? Again, Titanium is not cheap, it's hard to work with; it makes no sense.

Again with the non sequitur?? Are you the inspiration for this:

DSM

Johnny B. Don't fall for this, you bring up excellent and rational points and they're hand-waived away to go in another tangent and you will never get a straight answer.

103 posted on 11/25/2011 12:51:31 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.
BTW, Rossi's relationship with the fellows in the United States provided him the inside information on two issues relating to those large 1 MWh battery units that you can stuff into a 20 ft fan ~ (1) That the modular units inside were getting DOE certification in June 2011 ~ which meant they'd be built and put on the market, and (2) That upwards of 14,000 windmills were being decommissioned worldwide as governments quit subsidizing them. That meant he could pick up a brand new, but "surplus", display model or early production model of a battery designed for windmill system ~ CHEAP. That whole industry is collapsing. He bought one before they were advertised for sale! You can tow it around too.

That gave him a few months to convert it to his e-cat modules (or just charge it up and add some water tubes and a couple of e-cats for display).

The court is not out on this guy ~ but he has some pretty highly placed relationships ~ and then there's his landlord. That could be a private issue or maybe Norwood has lots of bucks.

A worst case on the Norwood deal may be that Rossi burned down the building Norwood owned but he didn't have any insurance. It wasn't arson, just an accident with an early prototype e-cat that overheated (not all that hard ~ things run 1200 degrees). So he has to "stay in touch" with Norwood until he can figure out how to pay for losing his building.

104 posted on 11/25/2011 12:52:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lx
Find your own references next time.

BTW, plenty of sites offering titanium master cylinders ~ Taiwan, China, UK, Brazil ~ all sorts of places.

So, why would they do that? Safety might be one. Maybe governments require it ~ something has to make our robotically assembled cars as expensive as they are so why not regulatory excess.

105 posted on 11/25/2011 12:55:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Hey, yoo hoo, while you're temporarily on my plane of existence, let me get this straight, you want me to provide references to your out there theories?

You are familiar with the concept of how this site works, yes?

106 posted on 11/25/2011 1:01:25 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

No, you can look for your own car parts in the future now that you’ve shown us you know how to find other sorts of references.


107 posted on 11/25/2011 1:05:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Johnny B.
A worst case on the Norwood deal may be that Rossi burned down the building Norwood owned but he didn't have any insurance. It wasn't arson, just an accident with an early prototype e-cat that overheated (not all that hard ~ things run 1200 degrees) . So he has to "stay in touch" with Norwood until he can figure out how to pay for losing his building.

Clearly I am an idiot for even going here but from Rossi's own mouth he talked about the operating temps for his E-scam and it was 1/2 and less of what you posted. If it had those kind of temps, it could power a steam turbine.

Do not bring up Gaea, the Apollo program or Wheaties or their relationship with the mob. Do try to keep on the subject.

108 posted on 11/25/2011 1:07:10 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

He’s run it hotter in the past ~ 1200 F is 648 C


109 posted on 11/25/2011 1:11:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Too many "names" at the October 28 event.
Only a few of then needed to be "in" on it. In particular, the mystery "NATO Colonel" would have to be part of the con. I find it interesting that in spite of the massive interest and research being done on every detail of this story, I haven't seen any reference to this person prior to his appearance at the demo. I haven't been able to dig up anything, but that doesn't really mean anything, since Rossi is probably lying about his name.
Go back and take a good look at his "convictions" ~ they didn't stick. He got most of them dropped, and he beat all but 5 of them ~ they were "technical violations" of interest only to the Italian equivalent of the EPA and reading between all the lines only one of them wasn't reversed by the appeals court.
I haven't been able to find the details of his acquittals. Even if he did "get off" on the Petrol Dragon charges, there were still two other serious crimes (fake gold shipments and gutting a company as it was going into bankruptcy).

And, there is the fact that his claims of converting waste into oil were false. I wonder what other inventions he has that don't work even though he claims they do?

110 posted on 11/25/2011 1:12:19 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: muawiyah
Again, I am not providing sources for your whacky conspiracy theories, if you can't source it, don't say it and then when it's proved wrong don't get all whiny and huffy about it.

It was your link to your B.S. story and it had nothing to do with whatever insane point you were trying to make so don't think I'm searching for it.

Isn't it time for Mr. Thorazine?

111 posted on 11/25/2011 1:16:00 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
Johnny B. Don't fall for this, you bring up excellent and rational points and they're hand-waived away to go in another tangent and you will never get a straight answer.
I know what you're saying. muawiyah does veer something fierce. But sometimes he comes up with something worthwhile (like pointing out that I didn't actually have any evidence to support that Rossi was the guy behind the Army story.

At some point, he'll get so weird that I'll give up. After all, as long as Kevmo's around, there will always be another thread just a few hours away!

112 posted on 11/25/2011 1:17:16 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: muawiyah
worst case on the Norwood deal may be that Rossi burned down the building Norwood owned but he didn't have any insurance. It wasn't arson, just an accident with an early prototype e-cat that overheated (not all that hard ~ things run 1200 degrees). So he has to "stay in touch" with Norwood until he can figure out how to pay for losing his building.
What a creative idea! Except that there is no indication that Rossi had even dreamed up this scheme way back then.

A much more likely theory is that Rossi had embezzled the money from the Army, and torched the factory to cover the fact that he didn't actually have any of the hardware he had supposedly bought. Also, that would destroy the prototype so it could never examined to see how Rossi faked the early demo.

There's an old joke about that: Two "legitimate" businessmen pass on the street. One says to the other, "I heard that your factory burned down! What a shame!" The other says, "Not so loud! That's next Tuesday!"

113 posted on 11/25/2011 1:22:54 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: muawiyah
Rossi said he found a new primary fluid that allows him to run at 450 C now.

Link:

Link to new fluid, read comments

114 posted on 11/25/2011 1:29:25 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
Rossi said he found a new primary fluid that allows him to run at 450 C now.
Frankly, I'm waiting for someone other than Rossi to tell me the E-Cat works. At all. Based on their experiments, not the Rossi dog & pony shows.
115 posted on 11/25/2011 1:42:23 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Regarding the factory (in NH) burning down, that's after he'd made contact with Mr. Gentile ~ so that doesn't quite work. Gentile and friends tried to farm out some work to an American company since Rossi's had burned down ~ however, Rossi had the patent they were basing the work on.

Rossi had no better luck in Italy finding someone to scale up.

The report points to too many solders in a device ~ which, checking with the former control board sales rep who hangs around here, that could be the only problem but it'd get the work rejected.

116 posted on 11/25/2011 1:50:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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Just more Kemvo blog postings trying to sell Rossi's "cold fusion" scam.


117 posted on 11/25/2011 2:02:45 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Johnny B.
One of his current partners is the guy who shares the patent Rossi was working under to relink carbon chains in oil(s) from all sorts of sources.

He, in turn, is a partner in owning Ampenerga and has been an employee of Leonardo Technology Inc. I'm guessing all the partners except the Norwood guy have been Department of Energy employees at one time or the other.

They have a $94 million contract with DOE through LTI.

Look, I believe Rossi's part of the story when it comes to mob influence that got his oil stash declared to be a toxic waste (which is different than his output). At some point the entire Finance Police story fell to pieces and the government backed away from Rossi. That's when he moved to the USA.

So, think about it ~ we have a massive backlog of applicants to immigrate into the US. Have had it for decades.

He appears to have decided to move here AND DID SO AT WILL.

He could be well connected. His friends are certainly well connected! Most of his partners of any kind have Italian surnames too ~ which may or may not mean anything ~ could be they understand what Rossi is saying. That's a chronic complaint about the guy on every thread involving things he says in English.

Regarding Rossi's inventions we have no idea how many of him he assigned to DOE for use ~ or how many of them he really has. All those energy researchers around him might well be front men for Rossi who could be smarter than we believe.

118 posted on 11/25/2011 6:13:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lx
Rossi: Here is to learn really and, honestly, when it turns to learn I am pretty fast. This collaboration is accelerating the development of the technological declinations.”
What's a technological declination?
119 posted on 11/25/2011 6:22:46 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dinodino; muawiyah
Muawiyah is a giggle-fest of feigned authority in every human discipline that has ever existed. I'd suggest you learn to enjoy it as a stream of free-consciousness and zen-like philosophical puzzlers that use sciencey-sounding words incorrectly.

Lithium bicycle parts? Really? I like to think that if only I could be bothered to ponder the metaphysical meaning of this, it would indicate some profound truth.
120 posted on 11/25/2011 8:19:54 PM PST by aNYCguy
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