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The Fusion Revolution
The Renewable Energy Disaster ^ | Nov 2011 | Christopher Calder

Posted on 11/14/2011 11:34:43 PM PST by Kevmo

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To: Johnny B.

No chemical process can do that.
***Prove it.

In fact, the Nickel “fuel” and the Nickel/Copper/Iron “ash” is the only physical evidence that Rossi has presented regarding how the E-Cat supposedly works.
***You seem to think that Rossi is interested in presenting physical evidence.

I have, more than once, presented a fairly detailed post explaining how those samples actually contradict Rossi’s claim. Nobody has posted a serious rebuttal to it. I guess the Rossi fanboys don’t want a serious discussion.
***As I’ve suggested in the past, it should be posted as its own thread. It gets lost in the weeds when it’s just one of the comments in a thread. If you’ve posted it more than once and there’s been no rebuttal, it has been lost to the noise.


241 posted on 11/18/2011 7:21:49 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

There is much more solid evidence of fraud than of LENR.
***Then let’s start with the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated.


242 posted on 11/18/2011 7:45:32 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

You have, in the past, proudly posted that you would not read any of the fraud links I’ve been providing.
***”Proudly” isn’t how I would characterize it. Like I said, I was interested in LENR before Rossi came around. Your interest seems to be scams. Go ahead and prove it’s a scam. But you can’t.

Maybe you should take your own advice and investigate that.
***Why should I? I keep running into a ton of classic fallacies from your seagull brigade. If they demonstrated some solid reasoning, I might be interested.


243 posted on 11/18/2011 8:00:26 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: dinodino

Rossi claims his process to be nuclear, and even claims to be using nuclear enrichment on his fuel.

***Rossi claims his process is exothermic. I haven’t heard the claim of nuclear enrichment. Sounds interesting.


244 posted on 11/18/2011 8:02:12 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: dila813

There isn’t any proof there is a actual customer....
***There isn’t any proof there wasn’t. The best evidence approach suggests that there was a customer.


245 posted on 11/18/2011 8:12:20 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: dila813

you don’t think con men don’t create their own skeptics to convince? It really helps in selling the con.
***Sure it does, in the movies, which is where you get your argument from. In the real world, Occham’s Razor prevails, and adding con men to the equation just increases the chance that the con will be blown.


246 posted on 11/18/2011 8:14:58 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I do "understand this stuff". I was making and measuring radioisotopes (probably) before you were out of diapers.
SCORE=For an Adult, Lame, keep in mind, it's my mistake that I assumed you were an adult! We're going to need a parent teacher conference for Wonder Weinerdog
We also would have accepted, before you were even a gleam in your mother's eyes.

So there! and your adopted momma wears combat boots! Too funny, I feel like I'm an elementary school, my highest level of learning achieved.

 

So, you need a heart transplant, right before they put you out, you find out your Doctor's degree is fraudulent, do you continue on?

On these elements being tested, are we sure the nickel he submitted is what he puts in his device? Are we sure the second elements are from a reactor that was running or even near one of his reactors.

Don't tell me he had two boxes, one marked before and the other marked after that he had assayed?

And, if he did, people bought this? Please tell me there is a clear chain of evidence here.

So far, none of the Rossi fanboys have any response to the factory he said he had in Ferrara that he used his old design Ecat to heat this factory for a year, where's that Ecat??? Since Ecats shown early this year are the L shaped ones like in his patent, why isn't he showing it off; if a tiny piece of equipment can heat his factory, imagine what the new and improved Ecat can do? What did this factory produce anyway, that is before it burned down? This seems to happen to him a lot. Didn't his factory in the states that was supposed to be producing super efficient TE devices burn?

The Ferrara Factory burned down.

Is it just me or do we have to pretty much depend on the honesty and integrity of Rossi (and his goombahs)as the sole sources of information?

At least Rossi has a new more trustworthy spokesman than Sterling Allan:

From: DOD Fuel Cell.

...Leonardo Technologies, Inc. LTI was incorporated as a response to the thermoelectric power generation research by Dr. Andre Rossi. Dr. Rossi indicated that his devices would produce 20 percent efficiencies, a vast increase from the current science of 4 percent conversion of waste heat to electrical power. Dr. Rossi believed that he could increase the physical size of the TE Devices and maintain superior power generation. In furtherance of his research, in early 2000, LTI, Rossi's company, not the military had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TE Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power. After this initial 6 ERDC/CERL TR-04-20 success, and a fire that destroyed his Manchester, NH location, Dr. Rossi returned to Italy to continue the manufacture of the TE Devices. In Italy, Dr. Rossi believed that LTI could manufacture more cost-effective TE generating devices with lower labor and assembly costs. Accordingly, Dr. Rossi engaged a subcontractor to fulfill the requirements of manufacturing and assembly.

The New Hampshire Factory Burned down

This is an excerpt from above:

LTI had tests conducted at the University of New Hampshire (UNH), Durham, NH, using a small scale LTI TE Device. Over a period of 7 days, the UNH power plant staff recorded voltage and amperage readings every 1/2 hr. The TE Device produced approximately 100 volts and 1 ampere of current, providing 100 watts of power.

In a, "Where Are They Now Vein", what happened to the 20% efficient TE devices Rossi created? Has he been able to make another?

Let's use Occams's Bic, what is more likely, Rossi created a TE that is 20% efficient compared to the normal 4% efficient ones.
OR,
Rossi gamed the test results in the college lab; keep in mind, LTI, Rossi's company was the one paying and supervising the tests, when the gov wanted to test them on their own equipment with their own scientists, a fire breaks out in Rossi's factory, (can you imagine what his fire insurance costs?).

Now,
1) either his devices worked which would be pretty impressive or
2) He somehow fudged the numbers and when interest got high and he realized he couldn't control the testing, poof, factory goes up in smoke. Now, normally, I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt BUT, are we supposed to believe:

1) The only working prototype was in that factory.
2) The design for that device was stored on a computer which went up in smoke.
3) He doesn't back up his systems and send data off site to a place like Iron Mountain? This means all his work, payroll records, permits filed, all contracts, they were all destroyed?
4) Rossi can't seem to now recall the secret that caused his TE device to have such high efficiency?
5) Where is his latest factory, does he have fire or arson insurance? So, on the TE device, if you look at the testing protocol it looks like it was designed by Rossi. We're in the 21st century, all he had to do to get a continuous flow of data was a few keystrokes and no, I seriously doubt it would fill up the hard drive. They have these things called networks now that allows you to put the monitoring laptop(s) on the network and be able to use almost unlimited storage.

Since this thing is supposed to be Nuclear, fission or fusion, either way, no one expects the NRC to do anything but use everything in their power to
A) shut it down, that's assuming the NRC is filled with Bama's fellow travelers who want us to live in the 18th century while they, our bettors, will manage what is good for us. Or
B) get their mits on this thing and create a regulation manual two feet high that has regulations that are impossible to meet? Assuming everything Rossi said is true, just getting past regulations in each country where one of these things is going to be put will take a generation, even with the right payoffs.

This is a good read:

New Energy times I

Again, we always hear about Rossi and his factories. Where are they, how many employees in each and what is he making?

I would love to see the state that other 'energy' promoters are in such as Dennis Lee and Joseph Newman, they must be so frustrated to see Rossi's scam work so well.

Finally, some information from respectable (mostly) journals:

New Energy Times I

Let's address some rumors:

There were reports that Rossi's mystery buyer were:

The U.S. Navy
SPAWAR
NI
According to these links, The U.S. Navy, SPAWAR or NI did not buy the plant: NI Statement via Forbes II.

University of Bologna Denies Faculty Involvement with Rossi

Here's an interesting quote from the, New Energy Time II  link.

...Sander Olson, a writer for Next Big Future, contacted me yesterday about the SPAWAR rumor.

“After having read your articles on E-CAT and receiving independent confirmation from SPAWAR that they are not taking possession of any device from Rossi,” Olson wrote, “I have decided that he is almost certainly a fraud and [I] will not pursue an interview. I always suspected that he was a fraud and I now find the evidence overwhelming. Thank you for providing assistance in this matter.”

Finally, Rossi does have a real degree: He earned a bachelor’s degree in 1973 in the philosophy of science and engineering from the University of Milan’s School of Philosophy.

247 posted on 11/18/2011 8:33:02 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo

There is zero evidence there is a customer...plzzzzzzzzzzz


248 posted on 11/18/2011 10:03:59 PM PST by dila813
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To: Kevmo

oh, he will be discovered, the question is whether he will be caught.


249 posted on 11/18/2011 10:04:51 PM PST by dila813
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To: Lx

fantastic! Great job pulling this all together in a well written reply!


250 posted on 11/18/2011 10:11:41 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

There is all the people who were there at the demo. Your only choice now is that they were in on the fraud. As the number of conspirators grows, so do the chances of your theory being popped like a balloon.


251 posted on 11/18/2011 10:28:24 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

As far as I know, none of these people have experience dealing with exposing scientific fraud......so meaningless.


252 posted on 11/18/2011 10:31:13 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813

Your arguments are becoming weaker.


253 posted on 11/18/2011 10:59:03 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
No chemical process can do that. ***Prove it.
What, prove that chemical reactions never create new elements? All I have is several hundred years of experimental data and rock solid theory.

If you're claiming that chemical reactions do create new elements, please show any evidence at all to support your claim. Otherwise, you're just showing yourself to be a fool.

***You seem to think that Rossi is interested in presenting physical evidence.
It's obvious that Rossi isn't interested in releasing the actual facts about his gadget. If he did, it would be proven to be a fraud. He is very interested in releasing bits and pieces of a mixture of truth and lies for the purpose of conning people into believing he has some sort of breakthrough.
***As I’ve suggested in the past, it should be posted as its own thread.
Since I posted that, WW has made a rather pathetic attempt to argue against it. WW claims to be involved in radioisotope processing, but his comments make me question that. At the very least, WW seems to be willing to disregard all of his training in order to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt.
254 posted on 11/19/2011 1:09:18 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Original statement: It’s more than a “little extra heat” but I can accept that it’s chemical in nature.

Johnny B: What, prove that chemical reactions never create new elements?


255 posted on 11/19/2011 1:13:12 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

If he did, it would be proven to be a fraud. He is very interested in releasing bits and pieces of a mixture of truth and lies for the purpose of conning people into believing he has some sort of breakthrough.
***That’s just conjecture. He’s interested in releasing bits & pieces enough to sell his devices. A lot like the Wright brothers. Or were they con men, too?


256 posted on 11/19/2011 1:14:48 AM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

I don’t think you understand Occam’s Razor. You keep using that word, but I don’t think it means what you think it means.


257 posted on 11/19/2011 3:15:42 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Lx; Kevmo; Wonder Warthog

Great post, Lx. Waiting for rebuttals from WW and Kevmo.


258 posted on 11/19/2011 3:26:18 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Lx
Don't tell me he had two boxes, one marked before and the other marked after that he had assayed?

And, if he did, people bought this? Please tell me there is a clear chain of evidence here.

No signs of any chain of evidence. The articles I've read simply state that Rossi supplied two samples, which he claimed were "before" and "after".

As I've pointed out several times, this is the only physical evidence related to the E-Cat, and it contradicts several claims by Rossi and his associates.

Rossi could have released the actual report, but chose not to do so. We have to assume that Rossi finds it beneficial to have rumors about an assay being done, without having to justify the results of that assay.

259 posted on 11/19/2011 3:34:42 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dila813
"LMAO.....Really?"

Kullander certainly thinks so, and he has probably forgotten more about isotopes than you or I ever learned.

260 posted on 11/19/2011 5:39:27 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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