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And So It Ends For Argentina (Lessons for America)
The Modern Survivalist ^ | Oct. 25, 2011 | Fernando Aguirre

Posted on 10/25/2011 5:44:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee
it's amazing how so many folks who have obtained power like this started by winning with less than majorities in their first run

This woman's husband won with less than a quarter of the vote 3 elections ago before she succeeded him again this time.

These folks are Peronistas basically, left wing Nationalists

hard to figure except it ain't good

problem with Argentina is where we are headed ..though I think racially we will be more Brasil...Argentina is far less Africoid with almost no pure AmerIndians

but they both are largess cultures supported by a minority of earners...but here is the kicker...government largess there is not a cell phone and decent care and air condiditoning sitting on yer ass collecting entitlements like her

it's just barely living ...or squatting

21 posted on 10/25/2011 6:55:49 AM PDT by wardaddy (This GOP field sux)
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To: cuban leaf

Like JP2 said, sin eventually devours itself. Hitler messed up a lot of life, as did Stalin, but they eventually collapsed.

So, yea, it will be a fight if we lose, but a fight for us to make until it is won. Then a new opportunity will arise - for those to toss away or fight for anew.

Hope is in God, not man. Pray and fight. Pray and eat. Pray and fight some more. Pray and sleep. Repeat entire life. That’s our call.

When evil takes over, life gets easier (clearer) - there’s less guesswork in who/what to fight. Like the Polish and East Germans, even the indoctrinated see through all the crap without help, and renewed brainwashing efforts have the opposite effect.


22 posted on 10/25/2011 7:01:39 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Travis McGee
Ms. K won with over half the country voting for her. This may appear to be a triumph of Democracy.

The goal is a civil society with the rule of law and real respect for individual civil and property rights.

Democracy is merely the mechanism that has on average been the most successful at creating and maintaining such a society.

IOW, don't confuse means with ends. It is not impossible to imagine an absolute monarchy that effectively meets these ends, or a true democracy that doesn't. In fact, we're well into experiencing this.

23 posted on 10/25/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Travis McGee
USA has real hope in its Tea Party movement and politicians like Ron Paul.

Facepalm...

24 posted on 10/25/2011 7:06:46 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: wolfcreek; Travis McGee

Husband who preceded her was German Speaking Swiss descent ...and Croat.

He and Wifey are arguably the most beloved by Jewish groups there and worldwide as any Latin American leaders.

During the military repression of Communist Revolutionaries there in the 70s and early 80s, Jewish students were disproportionately involved in the Communist movements (Montoneros)themselves and hence were often liquidated by the military. The Kirchners...not Jewish to my knowledge...were allied with Montoneros and have worked to overturn the amnesty granted military from that time by civilian successors and they have returned stolen art taken to Argentina during and after WWII to Jewish groups in Europe.

The World Jewish Congress adores this bunch, so I doubt they are descended from Odessa File sorts


25 posted on 10/25/2011 7:08:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (This GOP field sux)
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To: KarlInOhio
Essentially after planting corn for a couple of years you rotate to soybeans to give the land a year off.

NOT SO!!! Yes, soybeans help replenish nitrogen (as do all legumes), they don't do so completely and they take other nutrients. But, to say "soy kills the land" is not true either.

The normal pratice is to continually rotate crops and, although it is done, it is not considered good practice (at least in the Midwest, where I run my family's farm) to plant the same crop in consecutive years.

26 posted on 10/25/2011 7:10:38 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Travis McGee

btw...I highly recommend Suicide of a Superpower if you don’t already have it


27 posted on 10/25/2011 7:15:52 AM PDT by wardaddy (This GOP field sux)
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To: Travis McGee

btw...I highly recommend Suicide of a Superpower if you don’t already have it


28 posted on 10/25/2011 7:16:00 AM PDT by wardaddy (This GOP field sux)
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To: Travis McGee
Could it happen here??

We have to change our history, change our culture, change the way we think. - Michelle Obama

Nah, of course not, what wuld make you think so?? /sarcasm

29 posted on 10/25/2011 7:22:04 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Noumenon

“There’s a real possibility for a ‘civilizational collapse.’ Won’t be the first. Nor will it be the last.”

I suspect that only one in four or so even here - with a very well informed base - really understand what you are talking about: Sea Peoples; Vandals; Chichimecas; the An Lushan Rebellion; the Thirty Years War. Catastrophic technological and population decline.


30 posted on 10/25/2011 7:28:58 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: KarlInOhio

A quick glance on the net.. Don’t Cry for Weeds, Argentina
Genetically Modified Soy Stirs Up Trouble in Argentina
Argentina’s adoption of genetically modified soy was touted as a big GM success story, propping up struggling farmers and the country’s sinking economy, but seven years later it is causing an environmental disaster, say researchers. The crop, sold by GM giant Monsanto, raised yields so quickly that it spread like a virus and now covers half the arable land in Argentina. Big farmers, eager to plant more, have driven some 150,000 small farmers off their land. The soy was bred to be resistant to Roundup, Monsanto’s patented herbicide. Problem is, the soy is so tenacious that it pops up where it doesn’t belong, prompting farmers to dump other, more powerful herbicides on it. This heavy herbicide use can screw up soil and devastate neighboring farms. Also worrying is the development of herbicide-resistant weeds. Monsanto denies that this cocktail of vicious cycles is the fault of the crop itself, instead placing the blame on monoculture — the planting of one crop to the exclusion of all others — something they were shocked, shocked to find Argentinean farmers engaging in.

the source: The Guardian, Paul Brown, 16 Apr 2004
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eorge Soros to Invest $300 Million to Produce Biofuel in Argentina
Argentinean Federal Planning minister, Julio de Vido, revealed yesterday in New York the interest of the group lead by Hungarian financier and philanthropist George Soros in developing bio-fuel in Santa Fe province, Argentina. The investment would be “between 250 and 300 million dollars”, he informed after meeting with Soros’ son -Jonathan Soros-, and it would be oriented to produce bio-fuel from corn and sugar cane. The plant would be settled in Santa Fe province, one of the closest to Buenos Aires and one of the main centers for farming activities in the country. More specifically, it would be set at Venado Tuerto city. The project would employ “1,300 people directly and among 8 and 10 thousand people indirectly”, the minister considered, and anticipated a production of 200 million liters of bio-fuel. The Soros group was already involved in real estate investments in the country and then got to manage over 170 thousand hectares of country land in several Argentinean provinces. It has now strong investments in cattle, soy, corn, wheat, sunflower, and milk production. Though their bio-fuel interest has a background with the buying of an ethanol plant in Minas Gerais -Brazil-, they surely saw an opportunity in Argentina after the recent fuzz about the bio-fuel law declared by the government -approved in 2004 and re-approved in April with a different text-. This law...

... sets tax deduction incentives for the production of bio-fuel, and makes mandatory for all liquid fuels from petrol to contain 5% of ethanol or bio-fuel. Though it might seem a positive initiative, the duplicate approval left a sour feel to it.
On the other hand, it’s no surprise the project takes place in Santa Fe province, since it’s home to several bio-energy initiatives. Major oil companies have projects for soy conversion into bio-fuel, and petrol companies such as Repsol have plans for millionaire investments.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/09/george_soros_to_1.php


31 posted on 10/25/2011 7:31:11 AM PDT by anglian
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To: GeronL

“We have to change our history, change our culture, change the way we think. - Michelle Obama”

In a way she is correct, she is just looking through the wrong end of the spyglass. We need to uproot and utterly destroy every vestige of leftist cultural oppression and policy, beginning no later than Woodrow Wilson and the other ‘progressives’. Authentic federalism needs to be restored. The size, scope and authority of the Washington government must be curtailed with particular focus on administrative agencies and the federal judiciary. The welfare state, the police state and the education-indoctrination racket need to be cut off at the roots and those systems killed. Those are the historical and cultural changes that must and shall inevitably come. The only question is whether Icarus will land soft or hard.


32 posted on 10/25/2011 7:40:12 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Travis McGee

bttt


33 posted on 10/25/2011 7:59:18 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

bookmark, thanks for posting.


34 posted on 10/25/2011 8:01:28 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: KarlInOhio

As I understand it (and I am just a home gardener) legumes only release that nitrogen as the plant roots decompose. If you continually plant legumes and never let them decompose in an off-season, I’d guess they don’t add any nitrogen back.

And of course legumes use other nutrients, so if you mono-crop intensively with soy (or corn or wheat for that matter), you are going to cause soil degradation problems.

—From my basic understanding of ag and somewhat more knowledge of soil science. But IANAF or SS


35 posted on 10/25/2011 8:20:59 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Psalm 144
Yes, exactly. It's humanity's cautionary tale that we ignore at our peril. Carroll Quigley, in his The Evolution of Civilizations: An Introduction to Historical Analysis has another take on this subject that I’ve found fascinating – and possibly more correct. He postulated that Western civilizations proceed through the following stages:

1. Mixture - different societies come into contact and produce a society with an outlook different from any of the combined parts.

2. Gestation - the period of time between the mixing of the different societies and the expansion of the civilization.

3. Expansion - the surplus generated by the society is invested in activities that benefit the civilization. This can include an increase in knowledge, increase in physical area, technological advancements that increase efficiency, etc. Civilizations make use of different instruments of expansion. Quigley calls a social organization or unit an instrument if it meets social needs.

4. Age of Conflict - The rate of increase resulting from the use of one or more social instruments slows down which results in "interesting times". The instrument can be reformed or a new instrument consistent with the civilization's outlook can circumvent the old instrument. If reform is achieved, a new age of expansion begins. If the vested interests of the previous instrument of expansion increasingly consume resources while serving no social needs, Quigley says that the instrument has then become an institution. Expansion can continue, but it is at the expense of neighbors, which leads to imperialist wars. When the vested interests have crushed all internal opposition, the next stage appears.

5. Universal Empire - typically a state or political unit on the periphery of the civilization gains power over the whole civilization. The illusion of a golden age appears. The social organization remains stagnant.

6. Decay - lack of belief in the civilization's outlook or inability to meet needs of the people leads to people opting out of the system. An age of cynicism, low cunning and despair.

7. Invasion - external forces disrupt the civilization's social organization and it is unable or unwilling to defend itself. That spells the end of the civilization.

Quigley stated that modern Western civilization as embodied by America has succeeded in arriving at the brink of the Age of Conflict stage no fewer than four times, but has always managed to reinvigorate itself by launching into a new Age of Expansion. Recall that expansion in Quigley's terms doesn't necessarily apply to the acquisition of new territory. If he’s correct, we’re now out of options, and that we’ve progressed rapidly through to stage 6. As you may know, I have my own ideas about what’s going on with respect to the role that the will to power has played in modern times.

An excellent reference appears here: The Catastrophe” What the End of Bronze-Age Civilization Means for Modern Times

36 posted on 10/25/2011 8:51:45 AM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Travis McGee
Bookmark.
37 posted on 10/25/2011 9:09:09 AM PDT by ExSoldier ("Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.")
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To: Noumenon

A very interesting and informative post. Thanks for that. I’ve reviewed it for now, but I will be coming back to really chew this one over. It deserves real thought.

>>>> BOOKMARK! <<<<


38 posted on 10/25/2011 9:09:20 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd been puzzling over the occasional news out of Argentina, especially in light of extensive study of FerFal's earlier writings. Even the left wing conspiracy histories told quite a different story than the Party Line parroted by our American AP News Readers on Radio and TV.

When Lady K went to the G20 summit there was extensive coverage here about the gross riches spent on shoes, for example, that would have made Isabella Marcos blush.

To hear she was re-elected was not a surprise, but it has to be as disappointing to FF as news of Caligula's re-election next year would be to myself here in the U.S.

I appreciate the post and also recommend everyone to read FF's diaries.

It's true. The majority who happen to vote in one contest on one particular day does not make something right or wrong. The boundaries are clear. You can read about them in the U.S. Constitution. We're on the precipice of civil strife, beginning not with drumming unions taking over city parks and supported by corrupt and stupid urban politicians, rather perhaps with a protracted guerrilla campaign, one without statements and pronouncements. It might be triggered by a bad choice by a single judge in a particular Supreme Court 5-4 decision, after which there will be no more innocents. There are no non-combatants in real war, as opposed to play house war. Anyone who supports usurpation of the Rule of Law will become fair game when lawlessness officially becomes precedent defended by an equally lawless and presumptuous self-styled monopoly of force.

39 posted on 10/25/2011 9:12:22 AM PDT by Prospero
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To: Travis McGee
Hugo Chavez was voted at some time into office. So was Hitler.

*UGGGGH* How many times do I have to point out that Hitler was NOT elected?!?!? He was appointed, then engineered a coup behind the scenes.

40 posted on 10/25/2011 9:12:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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