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To: Artcore

“But my fear is, some will not be convinced that a vote for Romeny is better than Obama.”

I’m sick of this kind of crap being shoveled at me every time there’s an election. I’d rather see a quick path to an upheaval than a slow death by a thousand paper cuts of lost liberty and will chose to vote for the quickest way to radical change.


78 posted on 10/11/2011 7:42:20 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Cain/Rubio?)
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To: Rebelbase

I see your point.

We are headed for a real economic crash. Romney is probably less bad than Obama (not a hell of a lot, IMO) but he is way far removed from what we need to even have a small chance of not crashing and burning.

A Romney type will not, can not, stop or even slow the coming crash. And after it happens, what will all the takers do? They will put another despot like Obama in, potentially even a Hitler type of character; that promises everything for nothing and serves up the appropriate scapegoats. It can’t happen here? There is very little people won’t go along with when they are cold and starving. I mean for real, not like the cold and starving the liberals say we have so many of right now.

No, it has to be all the marbles this time around. Because I think this has the real possibility of being the last time around. We are looking into the abyss.


134 posted on 10/11/2011 8:43:07 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Rebelbase

If, as many people seem to think, a kumquat could defeat Obama in the next election, then why must we be talked into “settling” for Romney?

He can’t get 2 Amendment types, no-centralized-healthcare types, southern baptist or other evangelical types, etc.

Sure he is not a Marxist like Obama, but is he different enough to sway the mythical independent voter?

Suppose independents split over Romney, true believers on the liberal side go for Obama, and true believers on the conservative side split over Romney. Obama wins.

This is what will happen. My question is, why would the establishment Republican party want this to happen? I would guess it is because they are not conservative, but Republican, with a strong bent toward utilizing the conservatives to win (much as Fox is not a conservative network, IMO, but a network which seeks a conservative audience). They have in fact shown this to be the case numerous times.

If Romney is the pick, I will vote for Republicans in the legislature, but I will vote for someone I can support in the executive branch, even if it means a write-in. In that case, it is not I who will have chosen to elect Obama a second term, but they. I will also do my best to encourage the conservatives in the legislature to start another party, so we can be done with all this false conservative posturing at election time, followed by business as usual the next day.

Again, in that case, we have clear lines to fight, not a delayed “extend and pretend” presidency. We have been a long time coming to the place where we are now, over many administrations and legislatures, and we may yet find that we cannot recover from it. It will take a radical change from the status quo to save our nation, and Romney is not it.

Sometimes catharsis is the only solution.

My message to the RNC and their backers or thinkers is this: don’t offer Romney or another like him unless you want us to turn from you in droves. You can whine that we are abandoning “conservatism” all you want, but it is clear that it is you who have done so, because the minute we do your bidding, you abandon us and all your eloquent promises in order to consolidate your power.

With an overwhelming majority in both houses, we can block legislation and nominations, defund programs and czars, and pass veto proof legislation when needed.

All this is more likely when an opposition party than when we have an establishment R in the White House. Then we get less responsiveness (why listen to them, they vote for us anyway), more crossing the aisle (the same way to lawyers remember that their adversarial cronies are lifetime relationships, but their clients are not), more exercise of restraint on “both sides” (not)... More of the same stuff that got us in the mess we are in now.

All this could be moot, anyway, given the indications that an American Spring is being desired and encouraged. But to play some of those scenarios out as well - suppose a Dem Light is in office and the country collapses - who gets the blame? Who steps in to save the day?

Suppose a Dem Light or a conservative wins and certain people rise up in the streets - which administration would handle this well, or who would start trying to “get along,” thereby ensuring our complete destruction.

All this has a better chance of being avoided if we make our “No way, No how” loud and clear to the back room politicians right now, without any blinks, or worse still, subtle winks when we say it.


149 posted on 10/11/2011 10:33:58 PM PDT by Apogee
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