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Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?
Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Today, the Susan B. Anthony list and National Organization for marriage released a joint scorecard for the Republican candidates for President at the annual Values Voters Summit. Ordinarily, a release like this carries few surprises, and in this election cycle so dominated by fiscal issues, a scorecard devoted to gay marriage and abortion is unlikely to carry the same weight it would have in the past. However, what may surprise those perusing the score card this time around is the fact that one candidate – the one widely interpreted as the most conservative in the race – actually falls to the Left of most of his peers on both issues.

That candidate is Herman Cain. According to the scorecard, Cain, who many have interpreted as a Huckabee-style populist outsider, looks more like Ross Perot when social issues are discussed. On abortion, Cain is one of only two candidates who have refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony’s pro-Life pledge, a pledge which asks candidates to “commit to key pro-Life goals if elected to the Presidency in 2012.” The other candidate who has refused to sign is (unsurprisingly) former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, whose record on abortion is famously confused. However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, given that Romney is the only candidate to refuse to make it a priority to appoint pro-Life appointees to Executive Branch offices if elected.

It is on gay marriage where Cain takes more liberties. In fact, on gay marriage, he appears indistinguishable from Libertarian Rep. Ron Paul. Cain has refused to sign the Pro-Marriage Pledge, refused to support the so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, and has “Unknown stances” on every other issue the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) scores, other than defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, which every GOP candidate is on record supporting. In contrast, candidates like Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and even Mitt Romney have openly said “Yes” to every question asked by NOM.

Given that Cain is perceived as the conservative standard bearer who has eclipsed more socially conventional candidates like Rick Perry, this raises an important question: Is Cain actually conservative enough for his support base, or are social issues actually in their twilight years?


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To: justsaynomore

** ... just saw her allegations buried by FACTS.**

Started about 2 weeks ago.. on All my social sites, news sites, etc... Perry Supporters, as if ON CUE, became hysterical and almost as Fanatical as the PAULBOTS.

even before ... the ROCK!!


81 posted on 10/07/2011 9:16:31 AM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... Cult of the DAMNED!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I give you credit for persistence in the face of adversity.

Problem is, your attempt to discredit Herman Cain by posting this propaganda is not helping your cause.

82 posted on 10/07/2011 9:16:35 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: justsaynomore

Thanks for those links. I don’t know how anyone can be more pro-life than that.


83 posted on 10/07/2011 9:17:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know what’s so hard to understand in that video about “I’m pro-life from conception...” and “I don’t think the government should make the decision (to make any cases of abortion legal)...” so hard to understand. He is Alan Keyes level pro-life with out Alan’s nutty stunts.

Now I’ll let you get back to bearing false witness again.


84 posted on 10/07/2011 9:18:33 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Dipping your attack-Cain ladle into the Frum forum cesspool, CW? Just when I think you can't get more depraved with your methods of attack on Cain, you prove me wrong.

BTW, Frum is a leading Romneybot. Kinda blunts your claim that Cain is a Romneybooster when you post something from Frum's site that attacks Cain.

85 posted on 10/07/2011 9:18:37 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: MNJohnnie

Actually, Johnnie, all Cain has are ‘positions.’

He’s never done anything politically and has nothing to answer for in that score.

Let’s face it, we don’t know what he would do politically.

He is in the nice position of being able to sit back and criticize Perry and Romney ... but, guess what? He’s not criticizing Romney.

Tells me sumpin’ How about you?


86 posted on 10/07/2011 9:18:45 AM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: butterdezillion

He does.


87 posted on 10/07/2011 9:19:30 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Fantasywriter
Texas Gov. Perry signs bill defunding Planned Parenthood, local abortions
88 posted on 10/07/2011 9:19:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: ZULU

You will be voting based on debating skills?

If Obama actually had to debate anyone, including Perry, he would lose horribly.


89 posted on 10/07/2011 9:20:10 AM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Nice try, CW. And thanks for giving me another 9opportunity to help FReepers support the best man going for us, Herman Cain. Yes, God has given America a second chance! Let us rejoice and support Herman Cain for President:

Herman Cain, Inc, Friends of Herman Cain, Inc., P.O. Box 2158 Stockbridge, Georgia 30281

And, CW, if you are truly a conservative, please feel free to join us.


90 posted on 10/07/2011 9:20:19 AM PDT by Paperdoll (I like Herman Cain!)
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To: altura

I think Perry is pimping for Romney. His supporters are gunning for Cain like no one else. Their scorched earth campaign against Cain is obvious.

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And YES Cain HAS criticized Romney.

Cain Wants a Fight in Las Vegas
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57544.html

Herman Cain Hits Romney on Healthcare Plan
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/herman-cain-hits-romney-health-care-plan

Cain Discusses what is Wrong with Romney’s Job’s Plan
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/herman-cain-and-dick-discuss-whats-wrong-with-romneys-jobs-plan-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/


91 posted on 10/07/2011 9:20:28 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: ArtDodger
My main concern is his (seemingly)cozy relationship with his former boss, the Federal Reserve.?

Where do you get that idea?

92 posted on 10/07/2011 9:20:36 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: NautiNurse; Cincinatus' Wife

I have made a decision. For every post CW makes like this, I’m donating to Herman Cain.

Congrats Cincinatus’ Wife, you just earned Herman Cain $100 from me.

Please sir, may I have another.

(Anyone else want to take that pledge?)


93 posted on 10/07/2011 9:21:29 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Jealous your Perry is falling?

www.ontheissues.org

Cain doesn’t line up with Romney at all, but I’m not surprised you attacking him since he is stealing votes from your beloved Rick.


94 posted on 10/07/2011 9:21:48 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So let's get this right. Two groups rate Cain's conservatism on whether or not he signed the two pledges these two groups push?!? Yeah, that's objective.

CW, you jumped the shark when you went from posting ariticles supporting Perry to attacking other candidates who are a threat to Perry. It harms the conservative cause, as a whole, to attack fellow conservatives. In other words, you are now hurting instead of helping the conservative cause.

95 posted on 10/07/2011 9:21:48 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: MNJohnnie
He does NOT agree with the SB's call for FEDERAL legislation on these issues since it would violate the 10th Amendment

Apparently litmus test of "socially conservative enough" is whether he'd let the absence of an enumerated power interfere with using the federal government to advance the "social conservative" agenda.

96 posted on 10/07/2011 9:22:32 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: altura

He would welcome being VP to Romney, what else does it mean when he says, yes to VP, no to being on a Perry ticket. That leaves Romney.

But if you dare say that truth, the Cain careeners blow the sky off, much less the roof.

Or any other truth re: Mr. Cain.


97 posted on 10/07/2011 9:22:41 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: mnehring
(Anyone else want to take that pledge?)

Can I drop a zero and set a maximum? I've seen how prolific CW can be at posting articles.

98 posted on 10/07/2011 9:23:53 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: justsaynomore; Cincinatus' Wife

I hate liars. Actually, I think it’s almost slander. The more people get to know Herman Cain, the more they like him.


99 posted on 10/07/2011 9:24:11 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: justsaynomore

Maybe he criticized Romney at one time but he just came out and declared his willingness to be vice president ... for anyone but Perry.

Anyone but Perry = Romney.

Something weird is going on.


100 posted on 10/07/2011 9:24:32 AM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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