Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Today, the Susan B. Anthony list and National Organization for marriage released a joint scorecard for the Republican candidates for President at the annual Values Voters Summit. Ordinarily, a release like this carries few surprises, and in this election cycle so dominated by fiscal issues, a scorecard devoted to gay marriage and abortion is unlikely to carry the same weight it would have in the past. However, what may surprise those perusing the score card this time around is the fact that one candidate – the one widely interpreted as the most conservative in the race – actually falls to the Left of most of his peers on both issues.
That candidate is Herman Cain. According to the scorecard, Cain, who many have interpreted as a Huckabee-style populist outsider, looks more like Ross Perot when social issues are discussed. On abortion, Cain is one of only two candidates who have refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony’s pro-Life pledge, a pledge which asks candidates to “commit to key pro-Life goals if elected to the Presidency in 2012.” The other candidate who has refused to sign is (unsurprisingly) former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, whose record on abortion is famously confused. However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, given that Romney is the only candidate to refuse to make it a priority to appoint pro-Life appointees to Executive Branch offices if elected.
It is on gay marriage where Cain takes more liberties. In fact, on gay marriage, he appears indistinguishable from Libertarian Rep. Ron Paul. Cain has refused to sign the Pro-Marriage Pledge, refused to support the so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, and has “Unknown stances” on every other issue the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) scores, other than defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, which every GOP candidate is on record supporting. In contrast, candidates like Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and even Mitt Romney have openly said “Yes” to every question asked by NOM.
Given that Cain is perceived as the conservative standard bearer who has eclipsed more socially conventional candidates like Rick Perry, this raises an important question: Is Cain actually conservative enough for his support base, or are social issues actually in their twilight years?
Yes, here’s Cain’s website:
“This led to his acceptance of a position on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and he was subsequently elected their chairman”
http://www.hermancain.com/about
Are we talking Fed or are we talking selection of Romney.
Either is true. His own website agrees with the first, and the transcript agrees with the 2nd. You might notice he didn’t select Micky Mouse, GI Joe, Spiderman, or even Popeye the sailorman.
He was asked to name a VP and he selected ROMNEY and that name over all others on that stage.
Live with it, FW. It’s just a fact.
You are not the person I have taken you for in years past. I am shocked and disappointed.
Which topic were you focused on: the Fed or VP Romney?
Either is true in the way I’ve presented it. Both are fantasy the way you and the other “Cain the Messiah” followers are handling it.
The response to even the slightest criticism of Cain is almost religious in intensity. These people are looking for a savior and they cannot accept the fact that their savior has flaws.
Now that Palin is out, they need a new savior. They have found him in Cain. It is really bizarre.
As I pointed out to you. Posting someone else lie is still lying.
What are you shocked at? I am totally bumfuzzled what you are disagreeing with.
At least he didn’t post from EPI.
I gave them Cain’s own website and the transcript of the debate and they appear to be denying their existence.
I am absolutely puzzled at what they are objecting to.
Now the pure, condescending insults. I do not see Cain as a messiah or as perfect. I do expect people whom I had previously mistaken for honest to post actual quotes and not to smear w misrepresentations. I’m disgusted w what I’ve seen on this thread. It’s not the Cain supporters who are OTT—it’s the anti-Cain crew.
What are you talking about? I posted from Cain’s own website and from the transcript of the debate. The first is CAIN’S own words; the 2nd is a word by word exact replica of the debate.
I have no idea where you think a lie exists????
That doesn’t bother me, either. It’s just when they continue to do so after being informed that they are toeing the DNC line.
They are calling us liars because we tell the truth. These people think they are electing a Messiah, not a Chief Executive. The president can't save the country. Constitutionally the President's powers are limited.
I want a president that won't do much of anything for the next 8 years except veto stupid laws, cancel stupid regulations and appoint smart judges.
Pffft. So Cain previously endorsed Romney, says he’d be VP but not to Perry, says towns can ban one religion’s houses of worship, supported TARP, won’t sign pro-life pledges, personally accused Perry of being insensitive about a rock, etc. RA! RA! RA! or some such.
I am not “anti-Cain”. I am “Cain is not on my conservative list until he convincingly walks back some of his statements.”
I’m in a waiting mode on Cain. Is that hard to understand or something?
*DING* *DING* *DING*
We have a winner!
It took longer than I thought, but I might have skimmed over it in an earlier post.
Last chance. What is the number of the post where you quoted Cain exactly from the transcript. His FULL quote, in context, word for word, in quotation marks. If it’s all there, I’ll apologize. If it’s some bastardized truncated version and you still play dumb about what I’m saying, disgust is too mild a word.
it is almost a religion to them the way they are acting.
I believe in Jesus for forever, but He is the only perfect one.
Cain has warts. Lots of them. They see the beautiful princess; I see the hag. Gotta get them a different magic mirror.
You left out his idea that states can ban people from owning guns. But other than that, you got it right.
I’m not playing dumb about anything. I’m saying that the first name out of his mouth was Romney. It was.
I didn’t need the full quote to establish that. I needed to show where the first name out of his mouth was Romney.
He talks about playing along with the HYPOTHETICAL. He picks Romney. Then he says Gingrich would be his 2nd choice. We have gone over this.
NONE of that changes the fact that the first name that came to him was Romney.
(APPLAUSE)
BAIER: Mr. Cain?
CAIN: This is a game, and it is hypothetical. I’ll play the game.
(LAUGHTER)
If — if Governor Romney would throw out his jobs growth plan and replace it with 999, he has a shot.
(LAUGHTER)
If he does not, I would probably go with Speaker Gingrich, who I have the greatest admiration for, in all seriousness, because of his history and because of his depth of knowledge. I could go on because I have respect for everybody up here. But it’s a game.
(LAUGHTER)
BAIER: It is a YouTube question.
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