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Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?
Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Today, the Susan B. Anthony list and National Organization for marriage released a joint scorecard for the Republican candidates for President at the annual Values Voters Summit. Ordinarily, a release like this carries few surprises, and in this election cycle so dominated by fiscal issues, a scorecard devoted to gay marriage and abortion is unlikely to carry the same weight it would have in the past. However, what may surprise those perusing the score card this time around is the fact that one candidate – the one widely interpreted as the most conservative in the race – actually falls to the Left of most of his peers on both issues.

That candidate is Herman Cain. According to the scorecard, Cain, who many have interpreted as a Huckabee-style populist outsider, looks more like Ross Perot when social issues are discussed. On abortion, Cain is one of only two candidates who have refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony’s pro-Life pledge, a pledge which asks candidates to “commit to key pro-Life goals if elected to the Presidency in 2012.” The other candidate who has refused to sign is (unsurprisingly) former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, whose record on abortion is famously confused. However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, given that Romney is the only candidate to refuse to make it a priority to appoint pro-Life appointees to Executive Branch offices if elected.

It is on gay marriage where Cain takes more liberties. In fact, on gay marriage, he appears indistinguishable from Libertarian Rep. Ron Paul. Cain has refused to sign the Pro-Marriage Pledge, refused to support the so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, and has “Unknown stances” on every other issue the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) scores, other than defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, which every GOP candidate is on record supporting. In contrast, candidates like Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and even Mitt Romney have openly said “Yes” to every question asked by NOM.

Given that Cain is perceived as the conservative standard bearer who has eclipsed more socially conventional candidates like Rick Perry, this raises an important question: Is Cain actually conservative enough for his support base, or are social issues actually in their twilight years?


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To: xzins
The only thing I can conclude is you don’t know either what you are talking about.

With all due respect, you are utterly wrong in your conclusion. The only thing I can conclude is that you are either a lazy sloth, you don't know how to use a web browser search engine, you prefer to spread propaganda, or some combination of the above.

361 posted on 10/07/2011 5:26:58 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: GregH
Does knowingly lying about a canidate give you the allusion of relevance?

Your habit of posting these sort of mindless clown bot posting makes you a laughing stock around here.

362 posted on 10/07/2011 5:27:33 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Fantasywriter; P-Marlowe

You keep forgetting that I already posted the full quote and the link. Now that you’ve had it found for you, I’m trusting you can post it for yourself in the future. I think it was post #288. Go check it out.


363 posted on 10/07/2011 5:29:42 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
I sorry but the 9th Commandment is not a suggestion.

How dare you knowingly lie about Cain. A man of your background is doubly a hypocrite when you engage in such behavior.

Cain was on the advisory board, He was not "head of" and he never said he would be Romeny's VP. UTTERLY inexcusable for a former Army Chaplain to KNOWINGLY lie like you are. I do not care HOW committed you are to your candidate, knowingly lieing like that is still a sin padre.

364 posted on 10/07/2011 5:32:07 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: xzins

You never posted the full quote. I have followed your posts, and all you’ve done is misrepresent what Cain said. I have read your posts for years, and I previously respected you. Having read your comments on this Cain thread, my attitude has shifted 180. You are not accurately reporting the truth about Cain. You are smearing him. I’d be ashamed to do what you are doing.


365 posted on 10/07/2011 5:32:12 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: MNJohnnie

Lies?

This came from Cain’s own mouth during the debate,

You needcto quit slavishly following a candidate.


366 posted on 10/07/2011 5:32:12 PM PDT by GregH
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To: NautiNurse; P-Marlowe
The only thing I can conclude is that you are either a lazy sloth, you don't know how to use a web browser search engine, you prefer to spread propaganda, or some combination of the above.

And likewise I could conclude that you are a "lazy sloth, don't know how to use your own memory, and prefer to look stupid in public."

Post what you know, NN. Don't be a lazy-bot. :>)

You don't like it when I say that Cain was the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. It's in his bio. He comes to us with at least one stop at the fed.

367 posted on 10/07/2011 5:33:01 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

Posting a link to a lie is STILL a lie Padre.

Either you are willfully ignorant or knowingly lying.

Which is it?


368 posted on 10/07/2011 5:33:26 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: GregH

Sorry but your sort of bile laced clown posting are too hysteric and ignorant to be taken seriously


369 posted on 10/07/2011 5:38:23 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie; P-Marlowe

Here’s the title: Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City

Here’s the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

This is getting wacky.


370 posted on 10/07/2011 5:38:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: MNJohnnie

That’s crazy, Johnnie. It’s a link to the transcript of the debate.


371 posted on 10/07/2011 5:44:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Sorry if you don’t like facts and rather prefer to be a mindless boot locker to a candidate.


372 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:09 PM PDT by GregH
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To: xzins
What you said about Cain goes beyond exagerating to knowingly lying.

No matter how fervent you attraction to your candidate Perry, that does justify ignoring the 9th Commandment.

CERTAINLY not by a person of your background.

373 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:34 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Fantasywriter

The link is to the transcript of the debate, FW. You asked for a link and I gave you a link. This is amazing and a little bit twilight zone.


374 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
What you said about Cain goes beyond exagerating to knowingly lying.

No matter how fervent you attraction to your candidate Perry, that doesn't justify ignoring the 9th Commandment.

CERTAINLY not by a person of your background.

375 posted on 10/07/2011 5:46:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: altura
Are you saying that the person who posted the link did not have the right to do so?

The only right they have is to be ridiculed. I see it on econ threads all the time . . . people get so wrapped-up in their argument that they start posting from lib websites to support their position.

Anyone who does, establishes that they don't have a clue about what they are posting in the first place.

376 posted on 10/07/2011 5:47:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: xzins

Got a more reliable source with more detail about Cain’s tenure as a Class C board director? Wiki isn’t considered the most reputable source. Then again, when has accuracy been a concern for your propaganda?


377 posted on 10/07/2011 5:48:45 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Rick Perry's 2012 campaign is Fred Thompson v2.0)
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To: MNJohnnie

Since Perry is not my candidate, your 2nd premise is wrong.

Since I’ve said lots of things about Cain, including his being the head of the Fed in Kansas City (which is true), and since I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about, then I have to say that your first premise is also false since I gave you the link to the bio.


378 posted on 10/07/2011 5:49:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

First you claimed you already posted the full quote [you never did]. Now you’re saying you posted a link. I didn’t need your link. I have the transcript. He didn’t say what you claim he said. I’m disgusted w the smear against Cain. Now anybody who points out the inaccuracy between your ‘quote’ and what Cain actually said is twilight zone? That is a bizarre definition of twilight zone—but it fits w the rest of what you’ve posted.


379 posted on 10/07/2011 5:51:20 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: xzins

You were given the facts and persisted in the lie.

Sorry that is utterly inexcusable from you.


380 posted on 10/07/2011 5:52:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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