Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
The Susan B. Anthony list and the National Organization for Marriage are reliable, conservative, active lobbyists for the most fundamental of all rights, the right not to be killed, and the most fundamental of all of society’s institutions, the basic unit of all governments: marriage.
Governor Perry has championed bill after bill to support both over the last 10 years. Even the much vilified Gardasil EO contained a section titled, “parents’ rights.”
“Parents’ Rights.The Department of State Health Services will, in order to protect the right of parents to be the final authority on their children’s health care, modify the current process in order to allow parents to submit a request for a conscientious objection affidavit form via the Internet while maintaining privacy safeguards under current law.”
We have DOMA, but then we made sure to pass a DOMA amendment to our State Constitution to prevent judicial intervention.
Here’s more from a post I made this morning
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2788609/posts?page=108#108
Cain cares what words mean, and he respects the separation of powers.
Do you understand what “advance” legislation means? As in - the house advanced the legislation and it went to the senate for a vote?
The President cannot “advance” legislation and in moving it forward, Congress has to do that. All he can do is promote or “sell” it. And he WILL do that.
“Advancing” legislation is what Obama is doing with his executive orders.
I’m glad that Cain cares enough about the details, and actually reads what he’s about to sign.
No. Im voting on conservative credentials and electability.
Actually I debate pertty well and I’m a little to the right of Genghis Khan. But that doesn’t make me electable.
Don’t underestimate your opponent. The Romans did that at Cannae and with Spatacus. Obama is a practiced, slick liar and the media will try to spin every debate to make him look a winner.
If Cain actually believes that the president does not have the power to "advance" legislation, then how in the hell does he think he is going to "reinstate" "Dont-Ask-Don't-Tell"????????
The Congress repealed that provision and the president signed it. It will take an act of CONGRESS not a decree by the president to reinstate the prior "don't-ask-don't-tell" policy.
Cain is all over the map on his understanding of the role of Government, the role of Congress and the role of the Executive.
And you want to hand this guy the keys to the office?
“proposed” is not “advanced”
Advanced is when an actual bill is penned by Congress, presented, then voted on.
If you are referring to Obama, he may call it a jobs bill, but it is nothing more than another porkulus spending spree & tax increase that can't even get Democrat approval. Obama is hardly advancing the legislation. He is campaigning for re-election.
Admit to not knowing what the Frum Forum is but unless it is a forbidden source on Free Republic, I think we should be allowed to post from it without some snide remark from the mods.
Just defending a fellow freeper.
Are you questioning the genuineness of a guy who spent a million bucks urging Blacks to vote pro-life?
The Bible says that where a man’s money is, there will his heart be also. How do you question the heart of a guy who has put his money where his mouth is to the tune of a million bucks?
It makes sense that we question whether a politician really means what he says. It might be tempting to make them swear to everything, and then we’ll actually believe them. But we’ve just seen Eric Holder swear that he was telling the truth to Congress and now we’ve got proof that he flat-out lied. Swearing or pledging does not make a person truthful. And in fact, the more likely a person is to swear to something, the more likely he is to use that as a smokescreen. The Bible says to just let your “yes” be yes and your “no” be no; stay away from always swearing this or that. We are to be known for saying what we mean and meaning what we say - so that we never need to say, “I really, triple-dog pinkie-swear to God that I’m not lying.”
The Bible also says that we shall know people by their fruits.
So if you want to know if Cain is pro-life, look at his fruits. They are consistent with his words.
So on what basis are you suggesting that he has chosen to reverse himself and lie to us all?
In other words, post anything you want from almost anywhere you wish, but complain when someone notices?
BS. He has no clue about the meaning of the words. He is just flying by the seat of his pants.
After analyzing some of his off the cuff comments, I really question his actual commitment to running for President.
I'm beginning to think he is just a stalking horse for Romney (the OTHER candidate who refused to sign the pro-life pledge).
Time will tell.
Thanks for that link. It CONFIRMS my opinion of that Elitist RINO Establishment dirtbag Romney.
If Romney oozes his way in with GOP Establishment Money, the Tea Party, Conservatives, the NRA, pro-Lifers, etc. can kiss good-bye to any changes.
If you are pro-gun, a Romney Presidency will make Obama benign.
I may not support ROmney if he’s nominated - solely over the gun issue. He stands with Chris Christie, Julie Annie and the other Second Amendment deniers on this subject.
Cain wasn't elected to office. Also, Cain wasn't pro-choice before he was pro-life; Romney was. Finally, presidents don't introduce or co-sponsor bills, they sign them; the pledge doesn't say 'sign,' it says 'advance.'
So yes, it's a technical point, but lumping Cain and Romney together is misleading. As for working for gay rights, that's really a stretch. If I say, "Hate the sin but love the sinner," am I working for gay rights?
This whole thread seems to be a 'gotcha' against Cain, and not an actual discussion. If you prefer Perry, fine, but it would be more convincing if you showed ways Perry is conservative rather than tearing down challengers with thin smears.
Oh good grief. “Reinstate” was my word.
His exact words were
Joy Behar: “You would like to bring back Don’t Ask Don’t Tell”
Cain: “Yes”.
Better?
He never said he was going to “decree” anything.
just talking about his title and his actions....not talking about the substance of the bill
It's hard to take you seriously when you promote deliberate distortions like that.
well, thanks for the post. I think I am a little sensitive because, as a Perry supporter, I’ve had to endure so many lies and misrepresentations of his positions and policies that ...
I think my worry about Cain started with his over-reaction to the Perry rock story and his refusal to apologize if and when he bothered to find out the truth about it.
And then when he said he would take the veep job for anyone but Perry, what’s up with that.
He seems to have some unwarranted bias against Perry and I can’t figure out why. They are both socially conservative, religious and pro-business.
Perry has actually acted on his beliefs in his terms as governor. So, what’s going on?
I just have an uneasy feeling about Cain, but, as I said before, if he should get the nomination I will vote for him.
As for his mitigating Romney’s weirdness if he were the veep, that doesn’t happen. There could be some isolated cases where he had a little influence but mostly, unless there is a close, respectful alliance between president and veep, it doesn’t happen.
Worrying about libelous posts by Perry supporters seems weird when there have been so many libelous posts about Perry that people believe them now.
I mean that post did nothing to make me question Cain’s conservative credentials, but I don’t think we should refuse to entertain or discuss issues.
Anyway ... I’m just depressed about the whole thing. First, Sarah not running and now this wild surge for Cain that I don’t understand.
You take it that personally, huh?
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No but others around here do, and yes it is sad.
“I’m beginning to think he is just a stalking horse for Romney “
You are not “beginning to think” anything - this has been part of the Cain-smearing tactic from the beginning. I’m surprised they haven’t showed up with the “Cain endorsed Romney in 2008 meme yet”.
It is so transparent as to be laughable. This is obviously a coordinated attack on Cain, with the exact same memes thread after thread.
Why is it that every other candidate EXCEPT ROMNEY read that same pledge and didn’t find this mysterious meaning in the word “advance” that Cain found?
Could it be they don’t have excellent legal advisors, time in government, and/or education?
Only Cain....he’s the only one who doesn’t recognize the idea of “advancing a cause.”
And that’s only after social conservatives take out after him.
My gut says he’s spinning, but I’l be charitable and say that the jury’s still out, that his position of questionable. Which is exactly what this article says.
Well, I have to take up for Marlowe here. He could very well be beginning to think there is an alliance between Cain and Romney.
I think so and it never occurred to me until the last week or so.
You can believe that or not, but I would have thought that the last person Cain would ally with would have been Romney and now I see a little trail or rat droppings.
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