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Is Herman Cain Socially Conservative Enough?
Frum Forum ^ | October 7, 2011 | Mytheos Holt

Posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Today, the Susan B. Anthony list and National Organization for marriage released a joint scorecard for the Republican candidates for President at the annual Values Voters Summit. Ordinarily, a release like this carries few surprises, and in this election cycle so dominated by fiscal issues, a scorecard devoted to gay marriage and abortion is unlikely to carry the same weight it would have in the past. However, what may surprise those perusing the score card this time around is the fact that one candidate – the one widely interpreted as the most conservative in the race – actually falls to the Left of most of his peers on both issues.

That candidate is Herman Cain. According to the scorecard, Cain, who many have interpreted as a Huckabee-style populist outsider, looks more like Ross Perot when social issues are discussed. On abortion, Cain is one of only two candidates who have refused to sign the Susan B. Anthony’s pro-Life pledge, a pledge which asks candidates to “commit to key pro-Life goals if elected to the Presidency in 2012.” The other candidate who has refused to sign is (unsurprisingly) former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, whose record on abortion is famously confused. However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, given that Romney is the only candidate to refuse to make it a priority to appoint pro-Life appointees to Executive Branch offices if elected.

It is on gay marriage where Cain takes more liberties. In fact, on gay marriage, he appears indistinguishable from Libertarian Rep. Ron Paul. Cain has refused to sign the Pro-Marriage Pledge, refused to support the so-called Federal Marriage Amendment, and has “Unknown stances” on every other issue the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) scores, other than defense of the Defense of Marriage Act, which every GOP candidate is on record supporting. In contrast, candidates like Michele Bachmann, Rick Perry and even Mitt Romney have openly said “Yes” to every question asked by NOM.

Given that Cain is perceived as the conservative standard bearer who has eclipsed more socially conventional candidates like Rick Perry, this raises an important question: Is Cain actually conservative enough for his support base, or are social issues actually in their twilight years?


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1 posted on 10/07/2011 8:43:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Frum Forum”, whatever that is, can take its mud and sling it elsewhere.


2 posted on 10/07/2011 8:45:31 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Factually fraudulent propaganda from a Liberal GOP Establishment blog site. When you continue to lie about a candidate in a vain attempt to prop up the Perry Campaign, you lose the debate CW.

Cain's real positions here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/values-voters-summit-kicks-off-in-values-light-season/2011/10/07/gIQATpCpSL_blog.html

3 posted on 10/07/2011 8:46:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sour grapes Wifey, you see your boy Rick in a tailspin, you see Cain opening up a 20 point lead on Romney, so you start doing the MSM’s job for them and looking for ways to trash Cain.

That’s pretty transparent.


4 posted on 10/07/2011 8:47:31 AM PDT by mkjessup (If you're not part of the solution to getting rid of 0bama, you're part of the problem.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Agreed!


5 posted on 10/07/2011 8:47:48 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Is it true?

If it is, it isn’t mud slinging.

It’s truth telling.


6 posted on 10/07/2011 8:47:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He’s conservative enough for me.


7 posted on 10/07/2011 8:48:15 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

This is the problem with some conservatives, they want their government to reflect their social (religous) views more than they want a good executice leading the country.


8 posted on 10/07/2011 8:48:23 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Boy you really are a Perry operative aren’t you? I hope they pay you enough.


9 posted on 10/07/2011 8:48:50 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: mkjessup

Are there lies in this article?

If there are, please tell the thread.


10 posted on 10/07/2011 8:49:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cain lines up more with Romney than anyone else.

??? Not on what you linked to!

Perry=Bachman=Romney=Santorum on what you posted.

11 posted on 10/07/2011 8:49:55 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
The perfect candidate does not exist. It will be a very easy election for me...I'll be voting "the other guy"...whoever that is.

I suspect I won't be alone.

12 posted on 10/07/2011 8:49:59 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: swain_forkbeard
He’s conservative enough for me.

At least your give you honest opinion.

13 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“However, Cain still ends up to the Right of Romney in the aggregate on the issue, “

Right now it looks like we have Cain or Romney. Cain is more conservative than Mitts.

So who are you backing?

Perry? I like his tand on most issues but his unbelievabley poor showing in the last debate leads me to think Obama will rip him apart in any debates - that’s BAD.

Even Romney and Cain debate much better.

And given Cain’s close affiliation with the Baptist Church, I find it hard to believe he is pro-abortion


14 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:49 AM PDT by ZULU (DUMP Obama in 2012)
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To: dblshot

A successful CEO seems like a man with good executive experience to me.

Cain isn’t perfect but I don’t expect him to be.


15 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (MLB Playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2786167/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/

Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7

And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife

Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/

Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called ‘Planned Genocide’
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/herman-cain-planned-parenthood-should-be-called-planned-genocide.php


16 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:55 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Because you are knowingly distorting Cain's position.

He does NOT agree with the SB's call for FEDERAL legislation on these issues since it would violate the 10th Amendment

See unlike your Candidate Perry who talks a lot about the 10th Amendment then rushes out to sign anything he thinks will win him votes, Cain actually believes in the separation of power between the Federal Government and the States and refuses to make promises that violate his principals.

17 posted on 10/07/2011 8:50:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Don't forget that Frum was the establishment (read, socially liberal or indifferent) Republican Party's selected hit man to politically assassinate Tea Party folk and socially conservative uppity folk. If Frum doesn't like Cain, that's a ringing endorsement in my ears. Citing Cain's refusal to sign the Susan B Anthony List's pledge as evidence of being insufficiently pro-life is tantamount to lying. Cain made plain that his problem with the pledge is that it asks candidates to pledge to sign into law the Pain-capable Unborn Child Act. Cain pleaded with the SBAList to change the wording, since he cannot pledge to do something which would require someone else (Congress) to act first.

What you see, then, is that where Perry acted like a politician and made a pledge he cannot necessarily keep, Cain acted honestly, and expressed his whole-hearted endorsement of the Pain-capable Unborn Child Act, but noted that he cannot know that he would have the opportunity to enact it.

18 posted on 10/07/2011 8:51:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t know where these people got their information but first off, Cain SUPPORTS the DOMA and even went on to say that Obama’s refusal to defend DOMA is treasonous:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cain-obamas-refusal-defend-doma-bordering-treason
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Cain is 100% Prolife. The SBA pledge was discussed on here a long time ago. He did not sign it because the wording in it said that a President would advance legislation. He said he would support and sign legislation but it is Congress’s job to “advance” legislation and that is not Constitutional. He asked them to change the word “advance” to “support” and they would NOT.

More on Cain’s ProLife stance:

National Right to Life Conference Speech
http://hermancainissues.com/speeches/right-to-life-conference-speech-62411/

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life (2006)
http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/

Herman Cain Reaffirms Commitment to Pro-Life Principles
http://secure.campaigner.com/Campaigner/Public/t.show?LVMF—8Oz3-WCSgU7

And Alveda King affirmed on Facebook that she knew and worked with Cain on Pro-life issues over the years and testifies that he is Prolife

Herman Cain: Defund Racist Planned Parenthood Abortion Biz
http://www.lifenews.com/2011/01/18/herman-cain-defund-racist-planned-parenthood-abortion-biz/

Herman Cain: Planned Parenthood Should Be Called ‘Planned Genocide’
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/herman-cain-planned-parenthood-should-be-called-planned-genocide.php


19 posted on 10/07/2011 8:51:49 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

But who’s truth are you telling?


20 posted on 10/07/2011 8:52:04 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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