Wait, Sarah, Wait (Delay Continues to be Palin's Ally)

09/25/2011 | Brices Crossroads

[Bryanw92]

>>I responded at the same level, but a bit more in tune with real life.

Really?? Does Sarah Palin have a history of causing bodily injury to people who ask her on dates? You should let the media know about that!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The Gov’t can be run like a business. In many of Cains speeches, he enumerates how this can be achieved.” <<

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No, he enumerates how he imagines it might be achieved, but a minimal amount of analysis shows his assumptions about how government does things is deeply flawed.

[Windflier]

What are those homeopathic pills for babies? Calms or something? Or is that the teething pills?

Chamomilla. They're for teething pain with irritability. Gave 'em to all of our kids.

Do ya think maybe what's-his-name is having teething problems, and that's why all of his posts sound like a baby crying?

[DJ MacWoW]

I know that but you never know just who is reading it and they may want the truth.

No matter how many times I post links to the truth, every time a lie is told, I repost the truth. Sometimes to the same posters. Because people read without posting. A lie, left uncountered, becomes "truth".

[NittanyLion]

Cain has been unable to respond accurately or intelligently to any question relating to the operations and responsibilities of government.

He’s good at talking about his own ideas and plans, but he fails to resonably show how they will work as applied to government.

Do you have any specific cites?

[editor-surveyor]

You should have dated more attractive girls! :o)

[Passionate Pachyderms]

Indy what you don't realize perhaps is that Sarah isn't “Waiting for a miracle”, far from it.

Rather it is we who are waiting for the miracle, It's name is Sarah, and it will come, in her time not ours.

She knows what she is doing, she's known all along. Those who are getting all uptight due to her refusal to march to the beat of the “that's not how we always used to do it” drummer, for the most part, just have their collective panties in a wad because she learned a priceless lesson from the McCain fiasco; Those who refuse to walk boldly into the future and do what “needs” to be done, rather then what has always been done in the past, but is clearly NOT going to be effective in the future are dummed to failure before they ever begin.

She is not just marching into the future, she is running full out into it, daring it to try and stop the force her astonishing momentum creates everywhere she goes.

Welcome to the future, get on board and buckle up cuz it's going to be one heck of a ride!

[RJS1950]

I think Bachman has some potential but she has become too caught up in the political game and playing it according to the rules of the elite. Instead of being a classic politician and worrying about who likes you or playing a different role for each group out there, be yourself and put your conservative views out there. Honesty and the willingness to fight hard for your beliefs even when they call you names is more appealing in a candidate than a flip-flopping fish on the beach like mitt the twit. This is about the Constitution and the Republic and it is not a battle we can afford to lose again.

FUBO & FAD

[Windflier]

Thanks for posting the links to those two posting histories, Norm. Sometimes it takes looking at someone’s posting history to clearly see a pattern of abuse or trollish behavior.

[gorush]

Palin/Cain

[dforest]

This stuff has become too silly to even fathom anymore. I see nothing coming.

Cain looks better and better. And he is real.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “specific cites?” <<

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How did you like his answer on “right of return?”

[Lazlo in PA]

Here we go with the projection again. Just like the snide insults you leveled at me when you swore that Palin was announcing on Constitution Day. How did that turn out for you? You are just another angry Palin supporter fuming that you have to sit on the sidelines while all the other candidates are actually in there running.

Feel free to keep jumping in and battling the non believers. The fact is that right now Rick Santorum has a 100% chance of winning the WH over Palin right now. Know why? He is actually announced and in the race to win unlike Palin.

[Windflier]

This stuff has become too silly to even fathom anymore. I see nothing coming.

"And that is why you fail." ~ Master Yoda

[Springfield Reformer]

Indy, you say people aren’t seeing Undefeated. I happen to know that’s not right. The Palin hive on FB is all abuzz with excitement over the availability of the movie. People are throwing viewing parties, inviting nonsupporters.

So you are factually wrong. Perhaps your being embedded in the GOP apparatus has put you in social circles that prevent you from seeing the broader picture, but this movie is being seen and is having an impact.

Will it be enough to reverse all the misinformation floating around out there? Not by itself, of course. Many other modalities of messaging are and will be used. But it is a potent and helpful weapon that will make a significant difference.

As for paying to see “propaganda,” why not? I would think if you had given full consideration to Palin as a candidate, you would know so much about her you would be able to see through any misrepresentations. In fact, wouldn’t it make your position stronger if you could say you saw the movie and thus and such is wrong with it, etc.? After all, serious opinion shapers have to go to primary sources to be taken seriously. So why else could you possibly want to avoid seeing the movie? If you like, I’ll buy you a copy and send it to you, free of charge. Game on?

[Windflier]

Feel free to keep jumping in and battling the non believers.

Excuse me, but it's you "non believers" who keep jumping on the Palin threads and spewing the same tired talking points, ad infinitum.

If you and your cohorts weren't worried that she just might join the race and (gasp!) win the nomination, you'd be so bored with Palin threads that you wouldn't even bother reading them.

[Dr. Sivana]

so it’s not a surprise that she also has a poor academic record.

Transferring in and of itself does not mean a poor academic record. It was probably better than Biden's and Gore's, and on par with Reagan's (albeit Eureka College in the 30's was likely tougher academically than Harvard, U of Idaho or U of Wyoming).

Christie hasn't even completed half a term, and a lot of the same people who dislike Palin are begging for Christie. Personally, I believe that she's playing a bigger game, just as she did when she quit the Energy board so she could better take it on. Unless she's angling for SCOTUS, Sec. Gen. of the U.N., or maybe Chairman of the Federal Resrve, I don't see her bailing out of the presidency. I'm being facetious, as I don't see her moves aimed slowly at ascending the ladder, though some ego is necessary in any pres candidate.

You can try to explain away one thing, but it’s the general pattern that counts.

I agree, and a lot of our differences will come from our own priorities and also our feel for the demeanor of a candidate. Ross Perot's policy positions didn't really square up well, with the positions of most of his voters, but people liked his approach and outsider status, and his ability to make things work and be plain spoken about it. He could have gotten well over his 17% if he was serious about it. I find her Facebook postings plenty readable and intelligent, and yes I do believe that she writes those, and does better when she can sit and formulate.

Many of us who have a similar set of principles and beliefs prioritize them differently. For some it is 2nd Amendment, others pro-life issues, others illegal immigration, others general government intrusion, others fiscal policy and others foreign policy.

Palin is not even particularly more conservative than Bachmann, Santorum or Cain on most of these key issues. I would like to think that you could vote for any of them (including Palin)in a general just as I would. So, I suspect that her demeanor, her populist approach sets you off more than her positions themselves. She just rubs you the wrong way. To me, I understand her as a natural executive who gets things done, and knows which dragons to slay. I also believe that she can cause a permanent realignment in the Republican Party where we lose some white shoe trust fund folks, but gain a lot more Reagan Democrat types.

I have no problem with Cain, though I feared that either his candidacy was simply a bad attempt to blunt Obama's appeal to America's blacks which would be seen as phony (it sure didn't work for Keyes here in Illinois!) or that it would be perceived as such. I feel less so these days, because of the way he has conducted himself. I also believe that the combination of Palin, Bachmann and Cain has taken the meme of the Republican Party being only for middle-aged rich white men off of the table completely. Cain's win in the Florida straw poll makes him a lot harder for the MSM to ignore.

My main beefs with Cain are minor. I do believe that it is extra hard to have credibility with the voting populace as a whole without having won office. Only exceptions being generals (numerous) or a true cabinet level appointment (Hoover). I also believe that Cain has been spotty in some areas of policy. He's a quick study, and that's what well-picked advisors are for, so that is not a deal-breaker for me. Finally, I do NOT buy into the idea that business is exceptionally good training for govt., or that one ought to run government like a business. There are important differences between the two, and a skilled man can do either, but business acumen in and of itself does not make for good policy or for good execution. Most of these business candidates (Mike Huffington, Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, Linda McMahon, Brooks Johnson, De Vos) have difficulty selling their message. A disproportionate number are proud of being fiscally conservative/socially 'moderate.' Cain certainly does not have that problem.

I do believe that Palin is uniquely suited for this particular election cycle, just as Reagan was in 1980's. She owes the MSM NOTHING, she is remarkably free of big corporate (in bed with government, eg GE) influence, and knows what it is having been in Alaska in offices dealing directly with it. I also believe that she forces errors from her opponents, and the media to over-pursue, making for long-term shifts in the way the public at large sees both of them. She stays on offense, and isn't stuck using 1988 political tactics in a 2012 world.

I understand that your perception of the "whole Palin" is what drives you. What I find remarkable is that she did not cave and has managed to use the MSM's own eagerness against them. You are well-read enough to know how many "made up things" she has caught them in.

In these threads, a lot of the same themes come up, as they do with Perry and Bachmann. I don't especially expect you to change your mind. Your general snarkiness has been well within FR specifications, and you stick around to return fire without escalating into the personal. The fact that Cain, and not Paul or Huntsman or Gingrich is your candidate tells me that we really are on the same team. These same candidates all have been saying the more the merrier. We will not know until the afterlife which ones meant it. I do hope that we can have a good solid squabble now, and put aside our differences when a conservative to challenge the establishment candidate emerges, probably after a half-dozen primaries at most. If Cain can win Georgia and Florida, that's a great start.

[Norm Lenhart]

I really think it’s the way to go with the Trolls. Point it out, link it and let the readers decide. PDSers and trolls in general are not interested in debate, they just want to stir crap and get a reaction.

They can scream ‘thread cop’, they can call it ‘cyberstalking’ They can accuse me of ‘threatening and bullying’ and they have. Don’t much care. Got me a VK shield that deflects that nonsense real well ;) A salted slug and an exposed troll give the same reaction...lots of writhing around with no relief in sight.

Their own words aren’t so easily avoided. Most people never bother to check and see who they are dealing with. If more did, the trolls would have no one, or fewer at least, to ‘play with’ and FR would benefit from the due diligence of all.

[little jeremiah]

Norm, check magritte out - his posting history tells the tale, all right. He’s right here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2783594/posts?page=167#164

My comment is #172.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Well, it seems like waiting to announce her candidacy is paying off for Sarah, if indeed that is what she is doing. It is almost October, and I think she should announce sooner rather than later. But it is her decision and she does have very good political instincts.