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Gov Perry embraced President's Fox vision of a North American Union in 2001
08/30/2011 | unseen1

Posted on 08/29/2011 10:53:20 PM PDT by unseen1

In Aug of 2000 President Fox laid out his vision for the future of North America.

ELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Mexico’s president-elect, Vicente Fox, has spent the past week in Canada and the U.S. outlining his vision for a more integrated North America. Perhaps most provocative was his proposal to open the U.S.-Mexican border once the wage disparity between the two is narrowed. Fox spoke on the NewsHour last night.

VICENTE FOX: I’m talking about a community of North America, an integrated agreement of Canada, the United States, and Mexico in the long term, 20, 30, 40 years from now. And this means that some of the steps we can take is, for instance, to agree that in five years we will make this convergence on economic variables. That may mean 10 years we can open up that border when we have reduced the gap in salaries and income.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/latin_america/july-dec00/mexico_8-25.html

One year later Gov Perry embraced that vision in a speech:

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10688/


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: elections; fox; immigration; nau; obama; palin; perry
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To: unseen1

No, he didn’t lie. But your spin on what he said is the lie.

Pssssssssssst, Mexican trucks have been crossing Texas for about 50 years...we export, trucks come get the stuff. But just for a little bonus, Mexican trucks have been running that SUPER HIGHWAY from Laredo to Canada since Eisenhower built it in 1950. Enuff said.

No, he didn’t lie about the Texas Dream Act that the majority of Texans supported and still support.

NO, Perry didn’t lie about TTC that was ordered by the US Congress in the NAFTA bill that Bill Clinton signed into law. The TTC is being built as we speak BECAUSE the US Congress ordered it to be built.


41 posted on 08/30/2011 12:02:50 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: unseen1

I think it doesn’t matter THAT she endorsed him. The only thing that is important is what she SAID about him. Since I believe Sarah Palin wouldn’t lie about a candidate just to get him elected, I presume that what she said about him was what she believed. And since she called him a true conservative, and she knew his entire record as Governor (unless you believe Palin would say someone was a conservative without first checking out his public record), I feel confident in saying that Palin called Perry a true conservative.


42 posted on 08/30/2011 12:04:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: unseen1

And to answer your question, assuming it was a question, she could have endorsed Debra Medina.


43 posted on 08/30/2011 12:06:12 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: RowdyFFC

spin? first time I ever heard some one’s direct words called spin but you go with that.


44 posted on 08/30/2011 12:07:53 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: unseen1
You are deep in the Perry worship aren’t you? perry makes bush look tough on illegal immigration

No worship. I am a Santorum man. I just notice that the same couple names keep popping up slamming Perry with little context or in your case, any evidence. Where exactly did Perry open the borders? As a matter of fact, he confronted Obummer on a visit to TX to hand him his plan to secure the border. Where is this highway? Where is any of this? This was a speech 10 years ago to a then friendly country to the US. Would you rather he start an international incident and insult and deride Fox?

I also notice you keep dropping in NAFTA. Are you some union shop steward at the Chevy Volt plant? Leftist are always the ones going on about NAFTA being evil and not the business climate in the US.

45 posted on 08/30/2011 12:08:31 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: unseen1

I intend to.


46 posted on 08/30/2011 12:09:09 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: CharlesWayneCT

the 9/11 truther? Not on your life would she endorse her.


47 posted on 08/30/2011 12:10:43 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Exactly! She also stated that people ought to “quit picking on Rick Perry” who calls it like he sees it.

;-)))


48 posted on 08/30/2011 12:13:14 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: trumandogz

Interesting question. We are talking about the opposite sides of an endorsement relationship. Let’s assume Perry is really a lying RINO globalist open-borders flip-flopping opportunist fake conservative.

Would we then hold Palin’s endorsement of Perry AGAINST Sarah Palin? That would be the equivalent of holding Perry’s endorsement of Giuliani against Perry. But I’ve seen nobody attacking Palin for endorsing Perry.

On the other hand, if we are talking about whether Perry gains advantage from Palin’s endorsement, then the similar comparison is whether Giuliani is enhanced by Perry’s endorsement. But to figure that out, we need to see the text of the Perry endorsement.

I don’t like holding endorsements against the endorser. Endorsements are political calculations. What I would hold against an endorser is the WORDS they used to endorse.

It’s funny because I’m guessing those who point to Palin’s endorsement probably don’t otherwise think her opinion of Perry is all that important, they are just trying to pursuade Palin supporters. I figure that’s useless until Palin makes her announcement one way or another. If she decides to run, it won’t matter WHAT she said about Perry. If she decides NOT to run, I expect she’ll support someone, and THAT will be the important thing she says, not what she said in an endorsement for governor.

So for now, I use her words NOT to claim she supports Perry, but only to counter those who claim Perry is some RINO fake-conservative poser. Whatever else you think about Palin, I don’t think she would call such a person a true conservative. Even to win an election.


49 posted on 08/30/2011 12:13:30 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Careful...you may be spreading too much common sense around.

;-)))


50 posted on 08/30/2011 12:15:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Lazlo in PA

lol. same names? I haven’t posted on FR for several weeks. So how could my name be popping up “bashing” him

Perry’s speech was given in aug of 2001. You know 2001 three weeks later 9/11 happened. You remember 9/11? It stopped the open borders crowd in its tracks.


51 posted on 08/30/2011 12:15:11 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: unseen1

NAFTA was a duly enacted treaty. If you read your constitution, you will see that treaties are the highest law of the land, just under the constitution itself. The TREATY called for Mexican trucks to be allowed access to our roads, provided they met safety standards.

Perry argued for following the treaty provisions, which were the law of the land. I suppose some would have liked for him to call for unlawful acts, but I don’t know why they would expect that.


52 posted on 08/30/2011 12:16:06 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lazlo in PA

I very much like Rick Santorum too! I really wish his numbers were better.


53 posted on 08/30/2011 12:17:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: CharlesWayneCT; trumandogz

I can’t find it now, but there was an article that went into the visceral hate that Perry has for Romney. It appears he was making moves to support whoever would beat Romney. There were no good candidates to support in ‘08 anyway, so I don’t blame anyone for backing whoever. They all sucked.

Here. Found the piece. It was WSJ but you can’t get the whole thing on line so here is a summary.

http://ology.com/politics/wow-rick-perry-and-mitt-romney-might-really-hate-each-other


54 posted on 08/30/2011 12:19:48 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: trumandogz

Building a straw man? ;-o


55 posted on 08/30/2011 12:20:04 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SoConPubbie; SumProVita

Yes, do listen to the video, so you can see it doesn’t say exactly what SoConPubbie keeps saying it says even after I posted the actual transcript (which I wish I had saved on my computer now, because I can’t find it in my posting history).

She makes it clear she is not READY to support any of the candidates; she clearly also says she is still evaluating the candidates, as well as some who hadn’t entered yet, to see if there are any she could support. So she did NOT rule out supporting an existing candidate.

Note the subtle twist in the wording. She said there was no one in the race she would back YET; not that there is no one in the race YET that she could back.


56 posted on 08/30/2011 12:22:03 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: unseen1

“Read the speech.”

I already did. I prefer to look at what he’s done....and the historical context in which he took those actions.

;-)


57 posted on 08/30/2011 12:22:34 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Lazlo in PA

it is a washingtonpost article


58 posted on 08/30/2011 12:22:51 AM PDT by unseen1
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To: SoConPubbie; SumProVita

BTW, the reason I keep re-explaining this is that I believe there is a non-zero probability that Palin will decide not to run, and will then throw her support to someone in the race.

If you accept SoConPubbie’s interpretation of what she said, that would make Palin a liar if she doesn’t run. I don’t think she’s lying.


59 posted on 08/30/2011 12:23:45 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Nafta is one of the worse ideas I have seen in a long time.


60 posted on 08/30/2011 12:24:55 AM PDT by unseen1
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