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Ron Paul is For Amnesty and Has a Terrible Record on Illegal Immigration
The DC World Affairs Blog ^ | Gregory Hilton

Posted on 08/28/2011 7:17:37 PM PDT by mnehring

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) was first elected in 1976 but has never authored any legislation to stop illegal immigration. This has occurred despite the fact he represents Texas which has the nation’s longest border with Mexico.
He is against the E-Verify program to stop employers from hiring illegal aliens. In fact, he is against all laws prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens. He opposes Arizona’s get tough policies and the deportation of people who are here illegally. If a state wants open borders that is fine with him. NumbersUSA gives him an “F” rating on immigration.
When he ran for president in 1988 as a Libertarian, Paul advocated the official policy of his party. He said, “As in our country’s first 150 years, there shouldn’t be any immigration policy at all. We should welcome everyone who wants to come here and work.” At the same time he advocated the complete elimination of the Border Patrol, which he said was unconstitutional.
He has since changed his mind and now has strong rhetoric against illegal immigration on the campaign trail. This is not supported by his voting record or other actions. He claims to be against amnesty but his new book advocates it. He claims to be against birthright citizenship but his book supports it. He voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act and claims he supports the Border Fence, but he also voted against it on numerous occasions and always says it is not needed. He claims sensors at the border are enough. He also says the military is not needed on the border, and the Border Patrol is sufficient. Some of Paul’s votes against using the military on the border include:

The Congressman was in the forefront of those who stopped the real ID program, which is not a national ID. It was designed to make sure we did not give ID’s to illegal aliens.
TOM TANCREDO SAYS PAUL IS PRO-AMNESTY

I regret having to quote WorldNetDaily, but this where former Rep. Tom Tancredo’s (R-CO) May 23rd article appeared. Excerpts are below.

“I served with Ron Paul in Congress for 10 years. He was a member of my Immigration Reform Caucus, and I consider him a friend. . . Unfortunately, it appears that Paul’s views on immigration have now shifted into the pro-amnesty camp. Last week, Rep. Paul released his latest book, ‘Liberty Defined: 50 Essential Issues That Affect Our Freedom.’
“One of those 50 issues is immigration, and Paul gives a more detailed explanation of his views in the book than I have ever seen before. The result is not pretty. Ron Paul’s book misrepresents the views of immigration-control advocates and then insults their motivations. He insinuates that patriotic Americans who oppose mass immigration are lazy and motivated by race. . .
“According to Paul, deporting illegal immigrants would be “incompatible with human rights.” That is an off argument for any true libertarian to make, since the protection of true human rights begins with the U.S. Constitution and our ability to enforce the rule of law.
“The truth is that we do not need to deport all illegal aliens to make them go home. If we simply prevent employers from hiring illegal aliens by using E-Verify and step up interior enforcement as Arizona, Oklahoma and other states have done, most illegal aliens will go home on their own. Paul comes out against both these policies. . . He absurdly calls the idea of fining employers for hiring illegal aliens ‘involuntary servitude.’
“Paul comes out against Arizona’s popular SB 1070 law using absurd arguments of the type normally heard only from America-hating leftists: ‘Arizona-type immigration legislation can turn out to be harmful. Being able to stop any American citizen under the vague charge of ‘suspicion’ is dangerous even more so in the age of secret prisons and a stated position of assassinating American citizens if deemed a ‘threat,’ without charges ever being made.’
“I am still scratching my head trying to figure out what supposed secret prisons and political assassinations have to do with enforcing our immigration laws. The Arizona law’s definition of ‘reasonable suspicion’ is the same standard that applies for federal immigration officials and local law enforcement for non-immigration violations, so the law does not expand police powers.
“So if we can’t enforce the law, what does Paul want to do with the 12 million illegal aliens here in this country? While he says he opposes amnesty, he argues, ‘Maybe a ‘green card’ with an asterisk could be issued.’ This ‘asterisk’ would deny them welfare and not grant them immediate ‘automatic citizenship.’ Both these qualifications are meaningless because every amnesty proposal makes illegal aliens jump through some symbolic hoops before they get amnesty. I have no idea why he has changed his position on illegal immigration, but one thing is clear: Asterisk or not, Ron Paul now supports amnesty.”

PAUL DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL ISOLATIONISTS

Many isolationists disagree with the Congressman. They agree with him that all U.S. troops should “come home,” but unlike Congressman Tancredo, they want these soldiers deployed on the border. Even if that did happen, it has been demonstrated many times it is impossible to establish perfect border security. That is why Republicans believe it is vital to clamp down on employers and eliminate the reason illegal immigrants are in the United States.
America has a 5,525 mile border with Canada, a 1,969 mile border with Mexico, and 12,383 miles of coastline. Thousands of Chinese immigrants have arrived illegally by ship. Searching every container on every ship has proven to be impossible.
The real answer is E-Verify and restrictions on employers who hire illegal immigrants.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: amnesty; braindeadzombiecult; illegal; larouchies; rino; ronpaul
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To: taxcutisapayraise

Not just “welfare” but the tacit allowance of scofflaw living — not paying taxes, living ten to a single family home, not carrying required insurance, etc. They can’t be allowed to compete against Americans on an uneven playing field.


41 posted on 08/28/2011 8:32:33 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: Isabel C.; 1rudeboy

University of Madison


42 posted on 08/28/2011 8:33:44 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

They all scream and shout we want to save America; we want to save money; then they all turn around and embrace amnesty and put us into debt 50 more times as usual. I think I see more global brats that are showing.


43 posted on 08/28/2011 8:37:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Will88

“...and not become a ward of the state, i.e., be self-supporting...”

That’s not quite enough. They also need to meet their obligations to society — pay their taxes, obey all our laws including local zoning laws and insurance requirements, accept English as the only language for schooling and government interaction, etc. How does Ron Paul intend to ensure all that compliance happens ?


44 posted on 08/28/2011 8:37:28 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: mnehring

We will not hand over America to those who wish to destroy it.


45 posted on 08/28/2011 8:38:13 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is insane and a left wing plant.

Deal with it.


46 posted on 08/28/2011 8:38:46 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with political parties. The GOP is useless. Anarchy is perferable to this CRAP!)
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To: Kellis91789
How does Ron Paul intend to ensure all that compliance happens ?

I'm sure legalizing pot has something to do with it. :->

47 posted on 08/28/2011 8:39:48 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Kellis91789

I’m sure not defending the kooky libertarian ideas about immigration, just restating what I’ve heard some libertarians say.


48 posted on 08/28/2011 8:44:43 PM PDT by Will88
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To: mnehring

Hey, nice bait thread! It’s bringing out the RonBots the way watering a lawn brings up the nightcrawlers!


49 posted on 08/28/2011 8:48:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Tempest; ncalburt
I would think that Sarah Palin endorsing someone for governor against a liberal opponent at the state level should not be construed as an endorsement at the national level....

You would, wouldn't you.

Seems logic is not the strong point of many of the Perry Apologists.

And they are so desparate to Paper over the deficiencies of Perry and for Palin supporters to move over to Perry.
50 posted on 08/28/2011 8:48:16 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Nervous Tick

Yea, looks like they are trying a new tactic to change the subject off Fraud Paul by trying to start fights among other candidate supporters playing good cop/bad cop. Anything to keep people form looking at Paul’s record.


51 posted on 08/28/2011 8:50:27 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Tempest; P-Marlowe
HPV is a communicable disease. Your daughter (if you have one) can marry a man who unknowingly carries HPV, and she would never have had done anything wrong, but still ended up infected.

Also,

by Farrel Buchinsky, MD: (found at bottom of article: http://rrpwebsite.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/category.display/category_ID/352/

The authors do indeed say "we cannot rule out transmission through direct mouth-to-mouth contact." This issue is further addressed in the accompanying editorial by Stina Syrjänen who is from the University of Turku, Turku, Finland.

"In a study that my colleagues and I performed, involving married couples with healthy oral mucosa (sampling at baseline and at months 2, 6, 12, 24, and 36), the results suggested that the oral route is an important means of HPV transmission between partners: one spouse had a 10-fold risk of acquiring persistent oral HPV infection if the other spouse had persistent oral HPV infection. Oral sex was not associated with oral or genital HPV infection in these studies, and oral HPV infection in one spouse was unrelated to genital HPV infection in the other spouse. In our study and in the study by D'Souza and colleagues [that is the one that appeared in the New England Journal of Med on May 10], however, the patients were different: the couples we studied were younger and had no evidence of clinical lesions in the oropharynx, whereas those in the study by D'Souza and colleagues were older patients who had oropharyngeal cancer."


52 posted on 08/28/2011 8:51:53 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: mnehring

You can actually pick the RonBots out pretty easily on the bashing threads. They’re the ones that, when asked “who do YOU support then?”, they look at their shoes and mumble something unintelligible (or remain silent).


53 posted on 08/28/2011 8:52:38 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: mnehring

Legal immigration is easily handled. Allow more immigrants, but they have to have the means to ensure they’ll never be a burden — a job offer with a bond posted, wealth, or needed skills.

Treat each one as parolees with mandatory check-in with employer and parolee every month and expense of parole program paid for by the immigrants. Tracking anklets should be monitored automatically.

Pay local law enforcement to round up illegals and charge the cost of deportation to the employers that hired them. Any children must be fostered to legal resident relatives or must go as well. People deported through this process will never be allowed to immigrate legally. So volunteering for an orderly self-deportation has a real benefit — not being permanently barred from future legal immigration.


54 posted on 08/28/2011 8:59:27 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: mnehring
Vote Ron Paul because he's the Real Deal and the Only one that can beat Obama.

The image is intended to demonstrate how Ron Paul is a take no prisoners Jedi Knight.

Light saber beats gun. But did I really have to point that out?

55 posted on 08/28/2011 9:01:06 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: mnehring

For me it is the biggest issue against Perry.


56 posted on 08/28/2011 9:01:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Tempest
>”Light saber beats gun. But did I really have to point that out?”<

If you're more than three feet apart, your statement is incorrect. Now, if the Jedi had a Blaster...

57 posted on 08/28/2011 9:05:43 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If Sarah Palin was President, you would have a job by now.)
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To: Tempest
So which Paul supporter camp do you fall in?


58 posted on 08/28/2011 9:05:56 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Nervous Tick

It’s alright. Open border policy is alright! Ron Paul has an R by his name.


59 posted on 08/28/2011 9:06:48 PM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: Tempest

What do you think Soros’ screen name is?


60 posted on 08/28/2011 9:14:50 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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