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To: Alamo-Girl; LeGrande; Mind-numbed Robot; Matchett-PI; xzins; GourmetDan; exDemMom; gobucks
If I were an observer favoring the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, I would say that an observation (whether by intelligent or non-intelligent agency) is the cause of a wave function collapse, the event and the effect.

However if I were an observer favoring an objective collapse theory of quantum mechanics, I would say the collapse is independent of the observation, the result of a physical threshold being met and thus the cause is the threshold being met (involuntarily) and the wave function collapse the event and the effect.

Penetrating insights here, dearest sister in Christ!

RE: the "objective collapse theory," I get the strange impression that Richard Feynman has attempted to model this with his path integral formalism. It seems to me that he has taken very great pains to obviate any role for the observer. But then, it turns out that, without the observer, "I can safely say that no one understands quantum mechanics. So do not keep saying to yourself, if you can possibly avoid it, 'but how can it be like that?' Nobody knows how it can be like that." [from: "The Character of Physical Law," (Messenger Lectures, 1964, by Richard Feynman {2001}).]

But Feynman describes "the threshold being met" as calculatable by summing all possible paths....

But how does he/we know what paths/how many paths are possible?

But that's an epistemic problem, I suppose — a problem relating to "understanding." I know of many scientists nowadays who don't care so much about understanding things — what they care about is that scientific formalisms/theories actually work in scientific applications. And it turns out that the path integral formalism does work. (We just don't know why; and as Feynman admonishes, we shouldn't even ask.)

Of course, I am always interested in the "Why???" question!

Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your outstanding essay/post!

430 posted on 08/28/2011 11:53:19 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay-posts, dearest sister in Christ!

But Feynman describes "the threshold being met" as calculatable by summing all possible paths....

But how does he/we know what paths/how many paths are possible?

But that's an epistemic problem, I suppose — a problem relating to "understanding."

So very true! And Everett actually attempted to address that meaning with his Multi-World cosmology.

458 posted on 08/28/2011 9:52:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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