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To: LeGrande; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Mind-numbed Robot; GourmetDan; exDemMom; gobucks; metmom
"...The final cause, or telos, is the purpose, or end, that something is supposed to serve. Can obviously be seen as unscientific rationals unsupported by evidence. That is after all what Philosophy and Religion is."

"...This is one of the intrinsic errors of scientism, as it tries to pretend it can get along without final causes, even while habitually slipping them in the back door. For the truth is, one cannot even think coherently in the absence of final causation. ... [....]

"Metaphysics deals with ultimate causes "from above," i.e., the vertical, as opposed to the purely horizontal causes explored by science. Thus, one way to eliminate final cause is to simply pretend that the vertical does not exist, even though, again, the very conduct of science is impossible in the absence of verticality, no matter how attenuated. The moment a scientist has said "truth," he has said "vertical," and therefore finality, absolute, and God. For the truth of something is its final cause.

"What is the truth of man?

"Note that the materialist does not really eliminate final cause.

"Rather, he simply affirms that the final cause is the material or efficient cause, i.e., random matter and energy.

"That being the case, he is promulgating the metaphysical absurdity of "absolute relativism," or --------- the impossible idea that the ultimate meaning of existence is ultimate meaninglessness.

HERE

355 posted on 08/27/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Matchett-PI; Alamo-Girl; LeGrande; exDemMom; metmom; xzins
"Metaphysics deals with ultimate causes "from above," i.e., the vertical, as opposed to the purely horizontal causes explored by science. Thus, one way to eliminate final cause is to simply pretend that the vertical does not exist, even though, again, the very conduct of science is impossible in the absence of verticality, no matter how attenuated. The moment a scientist has said "truth," he has said "vertical," and therefore finality, absolute, and God. For the truth of something is its final cause.

Another absolutely outstanding essay by Dr. Godwin! Simply wonderful, Matchett-PI! Thank you so much for the link.

358 posted on 08/27/2011 10:47:53 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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"That being the case, he is promulgating the metaphysical absurdity of "absolute relativism," or --------- the impossible idea that the ultimate meaning of existence is ultimate meaninglessness.

LOLOL! Outstanding observation! Thank you so much for sharing that excerpt, dear Matchett-PI!

362 posted on 08/27/2011 12:07:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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the impossible idea that the ultimate meaning of existence is ultimate meaninglessness.

What is your ultimate meaning of existence, and what evidence do you have?

Can you produce anything except hand waving?

367 posted on 08/27/2011 3:33:22 PM PDT by LeGrande ("life's tough; it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne)
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