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To: Natural Law; tpanther; betty boop
I am aware of at least two new species of fruit flies that have been created in the lab.

If they're new species, as opposed to variations of fruit flies, then why are they called fruit flies?

Does that make a Chihuahua and Great Dane different species?

Wolves and dogs are technically different species and can interbreed freely.

Designating something as a different specie in a bid to find support for the ToE is intellectually dishonest.

They're still stinking fruit flies.

226 posted on 08/23/2011 8:52:17 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"Designating something as a different specie in a bid to find support for the ToE is intellectually dishonest."

What is intellectually dishonest is manipulating the language and the facts to prove your point.

A a species is one of the basic units of biological classification and a taxonomic rank. A species is grouped by virtue of their common attributes and assigned a common name, They are defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring.

If you had actually treated the discussion and the facts less casually you would have learned that the new species were incapable of interbreeding.

They are both called fruit flies for the same reason that both hammerheads and great whites are both called sharks.

228 posted on 08/23/2011 9:08:23 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: metmom; Natural Law

This fruit fly nonsense was 1999ish? These libtards keep coming up with embarassing missing links, and apparently there’s simply no shame...I mean this was unraveled back in the 20th century for heaven’s sakes! LOL


230 posted on 08/23/2011 9:12:31 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: metmom
The Darwinists will use whatever definition of “species” that suits their doctrine of the moment.

Here are some from Wikipedia but everyone is free to make up or mix their own as the Darwinists do:

Typological species
Morphological species
Biological / Isolation species
Biological / reproductive species
Recognition species
Mate-recognition species
Evolutionary / Darwinian species
Phylogenetic (Cladistic)
Ecological species
Genetic species
Phenetic species
Based on phenotypes
Microspecies
Cohesion species
Evolutionarily Significant Unit (ESU)”

I would say by some of the above definitions the Hatfields and McCoys would be distinct species since they refused to interbreed. Or Some of the Indian tribes. Or maybe one African tribe with another.

232 posted on 08/23/2011 10:16:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom
(below) This is the experiment as described in Wikipedia. As you can see one would have to choose among the definitions of species to make the argument that a “new” species had been created.
As you can see it was the adaptation to different environmental conditions that produced different breeding habits that discouraged interbreeding between the groups.

The situation would be similar to the tabby cats at my house being uwilling to breed with the cats at your house even though a few generations ago they all had the same parents. How would they be a new species?

They wouldn't but such is the intellectual three card monte of the Darwinists.

(from Wikipedia)
The best-documented creations of new species in the laboratory were performed in the late 1980s. William Rice and G.W. Salt bred fruit flies, Drosophila melanogaster, using a maze with three different choices of habitat such as light/dark and wet/dry. Each generation was placed into the maze, and the groups of flies that came out of two of the eight exits were set apart to breed with each other in their respective groups. After thirty-five generations, the two groups and their offspring were isolated reproductively because of their strong habitat preferences: they mated only within the areas they preferred, and so did not mate with flies that preferred the other areas.[20] The history of such attempts is described in Rice and Hostert (1993).[21]

237 posted on 08/23/2011 11:38:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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