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Below is the most definitive thing I’ve seen on the important differences between Conservatives and Ron Paul Libertarians. Many of you may appreciate it; but for those who support RP, please show an open mind - at least read it. (And no, those of us who don’t are NOT “neocon koolaid drinkers” who love war. We just understand the facts on radical Islam and Koranic teachings - something Paul should either learn or cease making naive, inaccurate pronouncements. Muhammad commands his followers to enslave or kill ALL INFIDELS (non-Muslims) who reject the “invitation” to convert to Islam. Period. It has NOTHING to do with our “policies”, how “nice” we are, whether we “mind our own business”, or whether we’re friendly to Israel or not. And Ron Paul’s naive ignorance of these facts is downright dangerous. If any of his supporters are really interested in learning, there are excellent, well-respected resources on the subject, and many of us here on FR would be happy to recommend some for starters.)

Here’s the article:

“It’s Conservatism Stupid! (Or, Why I Won’t EVER Support Ron Paul)”

http://thebandofpatriots.com/blog/?currentPage=4


146 posted on 08/13/2011 9:57:47 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

That is a very concise piece. Thanks for posting. I think it is going to fall on deaf ears if the cult of personality that the article describes is true.


152 posted on 08/13/2011 10:25:51 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: llandres

>>>Below is the most definitive thing I’ve seen on the important differences between Conservatives and Ron Paul Libertarians.<<<

Monos’s article has misconceptions and innuendos that need to be addressed. There is also one thing I found while researching Mono’s points that is disturbing. Here are some misconceptions:

>>>#4) Paul has even advocated leaving all of our overseas military bases and just protecting ourselves with a few submarines.<<<

Regarding the submarine part, Paul was making a point that we would have a strong deterrent with only a few subs. Combined that with enhanced intelligence gathering and strong border security, which Paul advocates, and we would have a strong national defense.

As implied in the article, a missile can reach our shores in a matter of minutes. The only deterrent is a nuclear shield, or diplomacy. Maybe I am wrong. Do you know of others?

Paul also wants to transform our intelligence agencies to professional management rather than political management.

>>>#5) Earmark Lies: Ronnie claims to be against earmarks, and he votes against every appropriations bill. However, the fun little political game he plays is that he knows the bills will pass, and he adds his earmarks in while the bill is in committee, then he votes against it so he can say, “Hey I voted against this, but hey, shucks, I’ll take the money!” He still gets $400 million in earmarks every year. Liar.<<<

No, you are either a liar, Monos, or ignorant. That misconception by Monos is a popular smear on FR, but it is just that, a misconception.

The total in the budget is set before a single amendment (or earmark) is made. Any money left over (not earmarked) goes to Obama and his union and regulatory thugs.

One more time: if Ron Paul does not earmark, Obama gets that money to spend ash e damn wall pleases. Ron Paul’s earmarking is an act of patriotism under this administration.

>>>#6) Racial Sterotyping: Ron Paul’s newsletter has contained quotes like these:

“If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be.”

“We don’t think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That’s true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.

He’s the only lawmaker to oppose the 40th Anniversary recognizing of ‘64 Civil Rights Act. . . Regardless of whether or not he is truly racist is irrelevant. <<<

Because Monos is going to smear him, anyway.

Paul believes the CR Act of 64 decreased individual liberty (which it did), decreased individual liberty (which it did) and led to affirmative action, quotas, and other forms of positive discrimination (which it did).


Now this is the disturbing part. I had been out of the loop for a while, and was not a frequent visitor to FR, so I missed the FR thread titled, “Ron Paul: Ground Zero Mosque Opponents are “Islamophobes.”

Whoa! Ron Paul’s version of National Defense is nuclear deterrents combined with strong border security, and enhanced intelligence gathering. My question is:

What good is “strong border security” when millions of muslims are within our borders?

None of the issues Freepers had with Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy bothered me. Not one. But it is his domestic security policy that worries me. Islam is 100% incompatible with the western way of life. It cannot coexist with a free people without conflict.

I don’t guess my wife and I will be ripping the “Sara Palin 2012” stickers off our cars any time soon.


269 posted on 09/02/2011 11:30:15 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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