Columbia speaks! BO NOT there in '81.

Obama Release Your Records ^ | 7/27/2011 | ORYR

[El Sordo]

That would be the Great Elementary School Cover-up. First revealed to the world way back in January of 2007.

FWIW, the 1967 document in question lists a birthplace of Hawaii.

Yes, it lists BHO’s citizenship as ‘Indonesian’. But that doesn't necessarily make it so. Perhaps the parents just lied wrote that down to avoid any fuss. Perhaps they planned to stay there and become Indonesians. Hard to say.

Regardless, the decisions of the parents do not affect the US citizenship of a six year old born in the United States. There are supposedly some circumstances where a minor can renounce citizenship, but there is no reason to believe this ever took place. Thinking it might have taken place doesn't count for anything.

[Jedidah]

That’s a very good point.

[charlene4]

“If Lolo did not adopt him, my understanding is that he would have been risking alot. Under Indonesian law only citizens were allowed to attend these schools. To lie would have been a big risk for Lolo and Sad.
Then there is SAD’s passport that showed lil Barry as Soborkah (sp?) which was explained by someone familiar with Indo customs as meaning “son of Soetoro.” Charlene

Thank you for posting that copy of the record. I no longer had it.
I disagree , this was made public as you said in 2007, no reason at that time for funny business. Why would Lolo risk being busted for lying? It was a law you must be a citizen of Indonesia to attend the schools that he did. Why wouldn't Lolo adopt him? I think it is a very reasonable expectation that he did. Take a child away from the US back then and not adopt? Pretty risky, I think for many reasons that Lolo would not adopt him. His sister Maya is Lolo’s. I think bo would have complained about his sister having a different name. Back then adoption was far more common, if not almost expected.

[charlene4]

“If Lolo did not adopt him, my understanding is that he would have been risking alot. Under Indonesian law only citizens were allowed to attend these schools. To lie would have been a big risk for Lolo and Sad.
Then there is SAD’s passport that showed lil Barry as Soborkah (sp?) which was explained by someone familiar with Indo customs as meaning “son of Soetoro.” Charlene

Thank you for posting that copy of the record. I no longer had it.
I disagree , this was made public as you said in 2007, no reason at that time for funny business. Why would Lolo risk being busted for lying? It was a law you must be a citizen of Indonesia to attend the schools that he did. Why wouldn't Lolo adopt him? I think it is a very reasonable expectation that he did. Take a child away from the US back then and not adopt? Pretty risky, I think for many reasons that Lolo would not adopt him. His sister Maya is Lolo’s. I think bo would have complained about his sister having a different name. Back then adoption was far more common, if not almost expected.

[LucyT]

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. . . . .1981 Brinks Robbery:

Who were the "unknown number of accomplices" who managed to escape?

[cynwoody]

But nobody remembers him from Occidental College

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWHX-4kNp70

Making such a moronic claim does not help the cause; rather the opposite.

[ETL]

Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'
By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer
July 24, 2008

excerpt:

The hunt for Obama’s senior “thesis” began with a throwaway line in a newspaper article last October. The New York Times story, on Obama’s early New York years, mentioned in passing that the presidential contender had majored in political science at Columbia and had spent his time “writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament.”

Journalists began hounding Columbia University for copies of the musty document. Conservative bloggers began wondering if the young Obama had written a no-nukes screed that he might come to regret. And David Bossie, the former congressional investigator and “right-wing hit man,” as one newspaper described him, took out classified newspaper ads in Columbia University’s newspaper and the Chicago Tribune in March searching for the term paper.

Bossie came up dry, but said the effort was well worth it:

“A thesis entitled Soviet Nuclear Disarmament, written at the height of The Cold War in 1983, might shed some light upon what Barack Obama thought about our most pressing foreign policy issue for 40-plus years (U.S.-Soviet Relations),” he wrote in an e-mail to NBC News.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219454.aspx
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Here is the passage from the New York Times that the above article refers to:

"He barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament. He dismisses in one sentence his first community organizing job — work he went on to do in Chicago — though a former supervisor remembers him as 'a star performer.'"

[snip]

"he [Obama] declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.

'He doesn’t remember the names of a lot of people in his life,' said Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman."

Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say
By JANNY SCOTT, October 30, 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html?ex=1351396800&en=631bf83f428647f9&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: Institute For Policy Studies (IPS)

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991
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From the website of Riverside Church...

The Riverside Church
490 Riverside Drive
New York, New York 10027
212-870-6700

The Riverside Church is located on Manhattan’s Upper West Side near Columbia University.

http://www.theriversidechurchny.org/about/?directions
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"She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of 'peace.'

In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations."
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991
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From the Columbia University website...

"Obama attended Columbia College from 1981 to 1983"
Source:
http://news.columbia.edu/home/1260
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Bill Ayers' education:
1987 - Ed.D, Columbia University, Curriculum & Instruction
1987 - M.Ed, Teachers College, Columbia University, Early Childhood Education
1984 [he completed degree in '84] - M.Ed, Bank Street College, Early Childhood Education
1968 - B.A., University of Michigan, American Studies
http://education.uic.edu/directory/faculty_info.cfm?netid=bayers
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Bank Street College
Where We Are and How to Get Here:

Bank Street College is located on the Upper West Side of Manhattan at 610 West 112th Street, between Broadway and Riverside Drive.

Bank Street College is located in a bustling family and university neighborhood four blocks from Columbia University
http://www.bankstreet.edu/aboutbsc/visiting.html
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Why Won’t Obama Talk About Columbia?
The years he won’t discuss may explain the Ayers tie he keeps lying about:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjY4YzdhMDBkZGQ3ZmU2MTUzYjdkMzc5ZjUzYmViZWM=
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From the New York Times...

Obama's 1983 College Magazine Article
["Breaking the War Mentality"]

• Original Document (PDF)

"In 1983, at the height of the cold war, Barack Obama, then a senior at Columbia University, wrote in a campus newsmagazine about the vision of "a nuclear free world." The article in the Sundial profiled two campus groups: Arms Race Alternatives and Students Against Militarism."

http://documents.nytimes.com/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article#p=1
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Barack Obama '83 Becomes First College Alumnus To Win Presidency

Wednesday, November 5, 2008

Barack Obama '83 became the first College alumnus to be elected President of the United States. On November 4, Obama defeated his Republican challenger, Sen. John McCain P'07, ending a marathon campaign that saw Obama rise from a first-term senator to the nation's first African-American president.

Obama, who was profiled in Columbia College Today in January 2005 when he burst upon the national political scene, transferred to Columbia from Occidental prior to his junior year.

In one of their few joint appearances, the candidates were interviewed in Roone Arledge Auditorium on September 11 at the Service Nation Presidential Candidates Forum.

This year's Presidential election had four candidates with strong College ties on the ballot. In addition to Obama being an alumnus, McCain's daughter, Meghan, is a 2007 College alumna; Wayne Allyn Root '83 was the Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential nominee running with Bob Barr; and Matt Gonzalez '87 ran as an independent candidate on the same ticketas Ralph Nader.

http://www.college.columbia.edu/news/barack-obama-83-becomes-first-college-alumnus-to-win-presidency

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"Columbia College is the oldest undergraduate college at Columbia University, situated on the university's main campus of Morningside Heights in the Borough of Manhattan in the City of New York."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_College,_Columbia_University
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About the College: Columbia College
http://www.college.columbia.edu/about

[ETL]

Obama Espoused Radical Views in College [advocated revolution]
Steve Malzberg - WOR News Talk Radio 710 ^ | February 12, 2010 | Ronald Kessler
Dr. John C. Drew, a grant writing consultant in Laguna Niguel, Calif., tells Newsmax he met Obama in 1980 when Obama was a sophomore at Occidental College in Los Angeles. Drew had just graduated from Occidental and was attending graduate school at Cornell University.

During Christmas break, Drew says he was at Grauman-Boss’ home in Palo Alto when Obama came over with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo, his roommate from Pakistan.

“Barack [Obama] and Hasan showed up at the house in a BMW, and then we went to a restaurant together,” Drew says. “We had a nice meal, and then we came back to the house and smoked cigarettes and drank and argued politics.”

For the next several hours, they discussed Marxism.

“He [Obama] was arguing a straightforward Marxist-Leninist class-struggle point of view, which anticipated that there would be a revolution of the working class, led by revolutionaries, who would overthrow the capitalist system and institute a new socialist government that would redistribute the wealth,” says Drew, who says he himself was then a Marxist.

“The idea was basically that wealthy people were exploiting others,” Drew says. “That this was the secret of their wealth, that they weren’t paying others enough for their work, and they were using and taking advantage of other people. He was convinced that a revolution would take place, and it would be a good thing.”

Drew concluded that Obama thought of himself as “part of an intelligent, radical vanguard that was leading the way towards this revolution and towards this new society.” ..."

Referring to Obama’s quote from “Dreams of My Father” that he associated with Marxist professors, Drew says, “What he’s not saying is that he was in 100 percent total agreement with those Marxist professors. When you understand that, Obama’s later associations and policies make more sense, including why he was taken in by Rev. Wright’s ideology.”

[Jim Noble]

State Department issues rules for Pakistan travel - requires 30 day Visa.

The US has never issued exit visas. The US does not set visa requirements for Pakistan (or anywhere else).

Pakistan may have set entrance visa requirements for Americans (or Indonesians), but, as you point out, for Americans anyway the Pakistan visa was available at the airport on arrival.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks LucyT.

[DrDude]

I am not sure where he was but I do know that he is not smart enough to do anything on his own. Maybe Ayres was writing his book while they were holed up after the Brinks Job?

[bluecat6]

Correct. The visa requirement was an entry visa INTO Pakistan by Pakistan.

Here is the source I used for this statement:

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

[dervish]

and the Edward Said material

[Dakkster]

In the lower-left corner of the photo on the second page of Obama’s 1983 Columbia paper ‘Breaking the War Mentality’, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are CLEARLY seen.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/images/nytint/docs/obama-s-1983-college-magazine-article/original.pdf

[Dakkster]

Did Obama’s dad Frank Marshall Davis die in 1981 or 1987?

[jh4freedom]

A 2009 article in the Columbia College Alumni magazine, Zero’s roommate says that they moved from Occidental College to Columbia for the Fall Semester of 1981:
http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct/jan_feb09/alumni_corner

[bluecat6]

Oops....

He died June 27, 1987....

at the AGE of 81.

I really hate dyslexia.....

Sorry, about that...will update my timeline.

[bluecat6]

Well...now 1987 starts look like an interesting year...

* Lolo Soetoro dies in March (March 2, 1987)

* Stanley Ann Dunham moves to Pakistan, where Obama visits her alot. See this link:

http://iaoj.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/obamas-mother-stayed-in-pakistan-for-5-years/

* A possible front company was set up in Hawaii using an alias for Stanley Ann Dunham. See this link:

http://www.meetup.com/Houston-Tea-Party/boards/thread/7024296/

* Frank Marshall Davis Dies July 26, 1987
* Harold Washington (the reason Obama says he moved to Chicago) dies November 25, 1987.

During this time Obama seems make living working for the Ayers Wood Foundation.

[little jeremiah]

What is your proof that FMD is Zero’s father other than your own assertions?

[Greenperson]

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-et-obama-photos27-2009may27,0,5574190.story

The photographer who took photos of Obama at Occidental.

http://www.latimes.com/features/image/la-ig-lookback18-2009jan18,0,554264.story

A story with a photo of him at Occidental and quotes from someone who claimed to know him.

Check out these photos: http://www.oxy.edu/x9048.xml All friends of Obama.

http://gulagbound.com/2232/journolist-%E2%80%93-the-soros-google-free-press-obama-connections/?replytocom=1689

Connections made to these friends at Occidental.