[curiosity]

The only value the birth certificate holds is to eliminate the possibility of a "mystery father" that actually was a citizen of the United States at the time Obama was born. In asking for a birth certificate, we birthers are simply giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.

That's bunk and you know it.

[so_real]

That's bunk and you know it.

No ... not at all. Some birthers may have been hung up on "jus soli" and needed to know that Obama was born in Hawaii. Certainly there was considerable doubt that he was -- and that doubt remains even today. But you can go as far back in my post history as you care to and find that birthers like me posting on those same threads remained steadfastly focused on both "jus soli" and "jus sanguinis", knowing that Obama's non-citizen lineage made him ineligible for the office he holds. Read the post history. The evidence is there. Having blinders on won't prove your point.

I stand by my statement

If Obama had been smart enough to fake a birth certificate, reasonably well, listing American citizens as parents, then yes the birther movement would fade away. But Obama is not that smart. And his presumed father was not, and never intended to be, a U.S. citizen. Ergo, Obama held dual-citizenship at birth which precludes a "natural born citizen" status at birth. Those who argue one can have "divided allegiance" at birth, and still be "natural born citizen" are only arguing to hear their own voices.

but add that his reasonably well faked birth certificate would still have to list Hawaii as the place of birth.

[Bikkuri]