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To: philman_36

Thanks for posting the context of those lectures—they say as clearly as anything I’ve seen that natural-born citizen and native citizen mean exactly the same thing. Are you claiming that “natives” means something different than “native citizens”?


153 posted on 06/27/2011 12:30:13 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Are you claiming that “natives” means something different than “native citizens”?
I'm not "claiming" anything. I think too many people are trying to confound the issue with all of this legal mumbajumba penumbra BS. I'm looking at this in as practical a manner as I can and as best I can I'm trying to get my thoughts across in a manner that's easily understood.

See 121. Percy A. Bridgham, aka “The People’s Lawyer“ explains it far better than I could.

“The fact that the Constitution says “natural” instead of native shows to my mind that the distinction was thought of and probably discussed. A natural born citizen would be one who by nature, that is by inheritance, so to speak, was a citizen, as distinguished from one who was by nativity or locality of birth a citizen.
A child born to Irish parents in Ireland cannot become a citizen except by naturalization, while his brother born in the United States is a native born citizen; the former is neither naturally nor by nativity a citizen, the latter is not naturally, but natively a citizen.”


FAMILY MAN:
President Obama with brother in younger days

Wouldn't you consider an anchor baby a native born citizen instead of a natural born citizen? Neither parent is a Citizen in any manner yet their child retains jus soli (right of the soil) simply due to their being born on American soil.

What do you call a child born here prematurely while their parents from a foreign country were visiting Disney World on vacation? And what would you call a child born of a foreign Mother going to school here on a student visa that was impregnated by a Citizen Father during a wild fraternity party? If you reverse the roles you've got Obama. (Father student/Mother US Citizen)
Both are here for a single dedicated purpose and neither planned on staying here after their purpose was complete. Either way, some, or all, of their children's parents are foreigners.
None need to be naturalized due to jus soli yet none have complete jus sanguinis (right of blood) (for instance the female visa student could have been impregnated by a naturalized citizen...Indian/ Nat. Indian, Chinese/Nat. Chinese, etc.)
What would you call them besides native born citizens?

They've all become "natives" of the nation in the aspect that we all share place of birth in common. They're extended all rights under law except for the right to run for POTUS.

Now if you take that as me claiming that “natives” means something different than “native citizens” then so be it.
I'll leave the legal mumbajumba penumbra up to those who get paid to do that sort of thing.

154 posted on 06/27/2011 4:51:50 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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