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To: Dilbert San Diego

Recounts are far more likely in the current system of state-by-state winner-take-all methods.

The possibility of recounts should not even be a consideration in debating the merits of a national popular vote. No one has ever suggested that the possibility of a recount constitutes a valid reason why state governors or U.S. Senators, for example, should not be elected by a popular vote.

The question of recounts comes to mind in connection with presidential elections only because the current system so frequently creates artificial crises and unnecessary disputes.

A nationwide recount would not happen. We do and would vote state by state. Each state manages its own election and recount. The state-by-state winner-take-all system is not a firewall, but instead causes unnecessary fires.

Given that there is a recount only once in about 160 statewide elections, and given there is a presidential election once every four years, one would expect a recount about once in 640 years under the National Popular Vote approach. The actual probability of a close national election would be even less than that because recounts are less likely with larger pools of votes.

The average change in the margin of victory as a result of a statewide recount was a mere 296 votes in a 10-year study of 2,884 elections.

No recount would have been warranted in any of the nation’s 56 previous presidential elections if the outcome had been based on the nationwide count.

The common nationwide date for meeting of the Electoral College has been set by federal law as the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. Under both the current system and the National Popular Vote approach, all counting, recounting, and judicial proceedings must be conducted so as to reach a “final determination” prior to the meeting of the Electoral College. In particular, the U.S. Supreme Court has made it clear that the states are expected to make their “final determination” six days before the Electoral College meets.


57 posted on 06/24/2011 9:36:10 AM PDT by mvymvy
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To: mvymvy

Well, I was not suggesting that the possibility of recounts should be a consideration in debating the merits of a national popular vote. I was trying to say, perhaps not too clearly, that in a very close election, you would need a national recount to verify the national popular vote. You couldn’t just recount certain states to verify who won the national popular vote. As I understand it, the national popular vote would drive the electoral votes under these NPV proposals, not just the vote within indivudual states, as now occurs.

I agree that the possibility of election recounts should not determine how we administer elections.


65 posted on 06/24/2011 10:02:07 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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