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I haven’t said that there were no discussions of his eligibility before the election.

I said that the definition of “born in country of citizen parents” - something that supposedly we all should know to be Constitutionally literate - was not mentioned on said eligibility threads until AFTER the election.

All that has been shown so far - time after time - are dual citizenship arguments.

They are not the same.

Obviously.

So what is your ultimate point in raising this argument?
Are you simply trying to say that everybody at FR is stupid?
Are you saying that the issue doesn't matter simply because it wasn't raised here?
What?!

On that I completely do not follow you. An individual who is a "dual citizen" was either born out of country, or was born of non-citizen lineage. Ergo, a dual citizen could never be a natural born citizen; they are mutually exclusive concepts. The only caveat is that those living at the time Constitution was signed were treated as if natural born. Otherwise the new nation could not have elected its first president. Are you arguing that the literal phrase "born in country of citizen parents" must have been used in a post in order to satisfy your quest? That's a bit too 'it all depends on what your definition of "is" is' for my tastes. It's not debate worthy.

“I haven’t said that there were no discussions of his eligibility before the election.

I said that the definition of “born in country of citizen parents” - something that supposedly we all should know to be Constitutionally literate - was not mentioned on said eligibility threads until AFTER the election.
All that has been shown so far - time after time - are dual citizenship arguments.
They are not the same.
Obviously.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2739306/posts?page=222#222

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Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. A natural born Citizen can not be a dual national. They are the same arguement.

Dual Nationality

The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

Intent can be shown by the person’s statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person’s allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060114035952/http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html