Seventy-One Shots: The Death of Jose Guereña

Pajamas Media ^ | May 25, 2011 | Bob Owens

[OneWingedShark]

>That works for me. In fact my first instinct was far less...restrained.

How much less-so?

[nparker99]

Just saw the video of the incident on the news here - I must say it was clear they had sirens and did announce who they were. Doesn’t excuse the 71 bullets or their reaction to seeing him with a gun.
http://www.kold.com/story/14737032/sheriff-releases-video-of-swat-shooting-into-house-of-ex-marine

[OneWingedShark]

Notice how they all clump into the doorway in order to fire shots: totally undisciplined.

[Jack Black]

When serving a warrant, they MUST knock, wait for the occupants to answer the door, identify themselves, and present the warrant.

Yes, lets take this even further. The LEOs in that case are actually brave men. There is always a remote possibility that when a uniformed officer, in full daylight, comes to serve a warrent some creepazoid takes a cheap shot at him. Unlikely, but possible. So the officers are choosing to take a risk to maintain a civil society. If an officer performing his duty in this lawful way is shot it is a real tragedy.

What we have now are chicken cops who are too scared of what might happen to brave knocking on a door. The entire Branch Dividian massacre was caused by this same failure of bravery among law enforcement. The idea now seems to be that LE should be a 'risk-free' profession, much like being a tax accountant or something. Every small potential risk is therefore met with overwhelming force.

I grew up in Detroit in the 1960s. The cops there were bad mothers. They didn't need sixteen guys to arrest someone. Of course the political correctness has ended that.

[Jack Black]

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[B4Ranch]

>>advocating for the overthrow of the Republic<<

WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author

[Jack Black]

Excellent point. Thus the wording of my long time tag-line. I like your tag-line too!

[Las Vegas Ron]

Sounds more like a car alarm than a police siren to me. As for the lights, how can they be seen from inside the house?

[dcwusmc]

Ah... that would be RE-legalization. And since drugs were NOT outlawed for any MEDICAL reason (the AMA was utterly OPPOSED to the original drug laws AND the original anti-pot laws, which were explicitly enacted to control the actions of minorities who might ingest a drug, then want to have sex with a white woman), can you even begin to propose a means of dealing with drug users that will NOT violate virtually every article of the Bill of Rights AND the rest of the Constitution? If not, how do you propose we react, KNOWING that many more innocents, like this young Marine, will be KILLED by cops busting down doors or by home invaders POSING AS cops? What do YOU have to say to this young widow and her kids? “Tough. Sh!t happens”?

[Repeal The 17th]

Amen, brother.

[Chode]

when ask why it took 71 shots, the chief said: Cause they still weren't sure he was dead after the first 50 shots...

[Kaslin]

I do hope the wife files a Billion Dollar lawsuit against Pima County and especially Dupnik

[Chode]

absolutely... murder, plain and simple

[Kaslin]

Unfortunately, all the money will never bring her husband and the father to her children back :-(

[Tainan]

Thanks for the ping.

[DariusBane]

The thing that scares the day lights out of me is this:

When you back people into a corner. When you remove from them all conventional procedural means of redress. When the government is feared more than nature it means real trouble. When the 1st amendment is gone, whats left? When the 2nd is challenged and the 4th is crushed, whats left?

The murrah building bombing in Okc, was a violent response by a single guy with no prospects for a job, no family and nothing to lose. Mcveigh was a nut job. So were all the people who helped him (that’s a can of worms). But the Waco Tx raid, Ruby Ridge, all the things going on back then perpetrated the belief that the government was removing traditional restraints on it’s power. Ruby Ridge and Waco were all about the 2nd and 4th amendment.

The government, the courts, your neighbors that vote are creating a very very dangerous situation. We have rampant unemployment and a destruction of rights. That is volitile. Nobody wants what could happen to happen. Nobody can predict where violence leads.

Mexico is a dangerous place. The government is corrupt. Lawless. So gangs of armed thugs and drug dealers have organized. They had nothing to lose. The government and it’s institutions garner no respect.

Here, our government, our cherished constitution and the “by the people” part have worked since the civil war to keep things on an even keel. I am scared where this is going.

You LE people? I know you are here. You need us! You need our respect. It is up to YOU individual cops to make up for the lack of respect that your institution, your leadership and the courts have for the clear intent of the Constitution. If you lose us, the common man. I am terrified where society will go.

That means no more “us versus them”. That means no more heavy handed swaggering behavior. That means humility and team work. It means less of you. That’s right. Less head count. Sorry. Give up your Unions. Live where you work.