JR has been more than very fair and open-minded about reasonable discussions regarding the BC/nbc issue since early summer 2008 — when serious questions arose and intense research began here.
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To: Jim Robinson
Where’s the REAL birth certificate?
3 posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:07:33 PM by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2303751/posts
Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate ^ | 08/02/2009
Posted on Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:56:30 PM by Jim Robinson
And then one of our moderators spotted this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18018714/Fake-Obama-Kenya-birth-certificate
It has several clues, but also there’s this question:
Who is E. F. Lavender?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=earth+friendly+lavender&aq=f&oq=&aqi
Earth Friendly Lavender detergent?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306755/posts?page=656
FR and he have also been mentioned many times by lib/progressive blogs, pubs, and others about the issue over the last couple of years.
http://progressivenation.us/2009/08/03/forged-kenyan-document-splinters-birther-movement/
(Courtesy ping to Jim Robinson)
Starwise:
This is my original post to #392—
Saturday, May 21, 2011 8:49:33 PM · 423 of 1,030
daisy mae for the usa to Responsibility2nd
Not to change the subject, but I didn’t know Mr. Jim thinks questioning the birth is conspiracy? Am I understanding this correctly?
If the answer is yes, then does that mean he is comfortable with the legitimacy of the presented birth certificate? And what about the Natural Born Citizen idea? Does he believe that -resident is NBC?
Sorry, but I must have missed this...please update me?
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As you can see, previously posted information was confusing to me, and I was seeking clarification. As well as the post you sited from Responsibility2nd, one other FReeper, deport, also responded with a linked thread in post #452, which I read, and responded accordingly—
Saturday, May 21, 2011 9:47:13 PM · 485 of 1,030
daisy mae for the usa to deport
Thank you for pointing me in that direction. Helps clarify.
On the Lakin subject, I am also of the opinion that orders must be obeyed. I applaud his courage, but he surely knew what the outcome would be. Was it the right choice for him? Guess that depends on how this all shakes out. But I presume he expected his 6 months? I would have...
Anyway, eligibility is a political matter, not a military matter. If one understands that the letter of the law must be protected, then one understands that the obeying of orders is a letter of the law thing.
Lakin understood this. He chose to fall on the sword.
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For the record, I have two positions related to the eligibility issue:
1)A clearly —not— legitimate document has been presented to the public by the President of the United States, because it can clearly be shown to have changed form at some time after being copied from the original record, thus invalidating the document for it’s stated purpose, and subjecting it to the possibility of tampering.
The Pres. of USA should be a man who surely understands the importance of proper process and documentation.
If BHO doesn’t understand this basic fact —one that most every American who seeks a driver’s license or public education understands due to the proper documentation we must submit to be successful in these endeavors— how can we have confidence in his ability to perform his many legally binding duties?
Does he possesses the intelligence, and the SANITY, to conduct business in relation to documents? This instance instills concern.
2) In regard to the Natural Born Citizen question, our founding document says the POTUS must be a natural born citizen. NBC clearly means born to the land and citizen parents. To deny that requires a great deal of wiggling and finagling. Even the most recent committee, on which BHO served deemed natural born to mean a person who has citizen parents at birth.
So now we are in the position of defining what the word “parents” means. For me, it clearly means —two— and further, —a man and a woman— the biological contributors to this individuals’ existence. Again, to try to prove otherwise requires a great deal of finagling.
If we back down on this, we open the doors to many scenarios which ultimately weaken America— BHO seems to illustrate this adequately as he does not fit the description of NBC and his administration has greatly weakened this country.
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One really needs to ask oneself, do I want to live in the North American Union or have my children grow up in the North American Union? This Union will be “managed” like the European Union and will limit individual liberties just as this has happened over there with regard to religious freedom, gun control, medical care, etc. The list is long.
If one is okay with that...let this eligibility thing go! No biggy. If one is not okay with that, stand your ground. Hopefully, the effort will be worth it. Maybe it won’t...as in the case of Lakin.
But don’t live deluded, either way. This issue is about the line in the sand, and that line is VERY REAL. Fortunes...lives....and sacred honor....ride heavy on BOTH sides of this line. And we ALL are deciding this country’s future by our action...or by our inaction.
I love FR. I enjoy my time here, and I appreciate Mr. Robinson for making this forum available.
Sincerely, Daisy