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To: WhiskeyX
I am stating clearly that what you said was absolutely unsubstantiated, yet no doubt destined to enter birther lore as the unvarnished truth because it was in an “article” that was really a blog - and something someone wrote on the internet is just as good as a real source - to some.

“the State of Hawaii directs the Department of Health to report them as being in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, even when the births occur anywhere else in the world.”

Where? Did you make this up? Or did someone else make it up? Where is this codified in Hawaii law statute or practice?

Simple reasoning for you....

You said something outrageous.

You cannot substantiate it.

Extraordinary claims require substantial evidence.

You have no evidence.

You are wrong.

80 posted on 05/05/2011 6:24:26 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Did the Department of Hawaii accept an application for a Certificate of Live Birth from a parent/s? Answer: Yes, see §338-5 Compulsory registration of births, “by one of the parents.”

Could a parent/s use an address in Hawaii as the place of birth when completing the application for a Certificate of Live Birth? Answer: Answer: Yes, see §338-5 Compulsory registration of births, “by one of the parents.”

Was it possible for a parent or other applicant for a Certificate of Live Birth to falsely report a place of birth in Hawaii which actually occurred outside the state of Hawaii? Yes, see: §338-43 Perjury. “Any applicant or any person who gives or offers any false testimony, oral or written, under oath, in support or respect of any application for a certificate under section 338-41, shall be deemed guilty of perjury and shall be punishable accordingly.” The existence of a statute making the “any false testimony, oral or written, under oath, in support or respect of any application for a certificate” demonstrates there was opportunity for a parent/s to falsify the place of birth in a Certificate of Live Birth.

Have any applicants submitted an application for a Hawaiian birth certificate using a false Hawaiian place of birth when the actual place of birth was outside Hawaii or outside of the United States. Yes, see the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth issued to Sun Yat-Sen, who was born in China and served as the President of the Republic of China.

Is the Hawaii Department of Health required to issue a Certificate of Live Birth whenever the parent/s submitted a false place of birth in the application and no investigaton has been undertaken to discover the perjury? Yes, see the above Hawaii Department of Health statutes.

Is it therefore true “the State of Hawaii directs the Department of Health to report them as being in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, even when the births occur anywhere else in the world,” despite the place of birth in the application being false and fraudulent? Yes, see all of the above.


86 posted on 05/05/2011 8:34:01 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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