The poster claimed that the short form COLB listed Dr. West - that is in error. Do you disagree? Do you think the COLB listed Dr. West? No, of course not. I never stated nor implied it did so. I did not comment about that at all.
If not then we didn't seem to have any point of contention when you began this.
No, that is not true. There was a point of contention. You wrote:
Now it has been released, and it does have the name of the Dr. listed - and now suddenly every birther is 100% convinced the REAL Dr. was Dr. West.
Firstly, you were using "birther" as a term of ridicule in a manner intended to intimidate anyone who dares to question the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama and the possibility he was born without any US. citizenship due to birth outside of Hawaii and/or the United States.
Secondly, you used the false phrase, "every birther is 100% convinced" to grossly exaggerate and misrepresent the attitudes and beliefs of an entire group of people for the purpose of subjecting them to false prejudice and intimidation by false ridicule.
Thirdly, you used the phrase, "the REAL Dr. was Dr. West," as a means of erroneously implying the name of a physician which actually does appear on a Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) must always be the name of the physician who was the attending physician present at the actual time and place of birth. Since the name of a physician appearing on the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) was in some instances not present at the actual time and place of birth, the implication and your ridicule of anyone asking for the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) with the physician indicated on it is servanted, wrong, and obnoxious in tone.
It was a Snopes article that suggested Dr. West was the attending physician and supplied second hand quotes attributed to him, none of which were inconsistent with him being there but not being the birth doctor.
Yes, and the Snopes article did nothing to disclose the possibility that their report of Dr. West was not the name of the attending physician at birth. Scopes half truth, assuming the quotation was accurate, deceived readers by causing them to incorrectly conclude Dr. West would likely have been the one and only attending physician at birth, and the request for the name of the physician by obtaining a true copy and image of the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) was unnecessary, redundant, and moot.
The information of the COLB tends to strongly indicate, by directly stating as much, that the birth happened in Honolulu Hawaii - as both the short form and long form said as much.
In the above statement you once again make a false statement of fact. The information on the Certification of Live Birth (short-form) and the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) purport to indicate the place "of birth." In reality, however, the actual place "of birth" is not the places indicated on these documents, because the State of Hawaii directs the Department of Health to report them as being in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, even when the births occur anywhere else in the world. Consequently, the Certification of Live Birth (short-form) and the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) "strongly indicate" nothing more than the fact an Hawaiian official is issuing a birth certificate for a birth that could have occurred anywhere in the world.
Also, since the Certificate of Live Birth (long-form) lacks certain birth statistics and includes the names of certain officials not associated with Kapiolani Hospital, it tends to "strongly indicate" the birth did not occur at Kapiolani Hospital and did occur somewhere other than Kapiolani Hospital.
“In reality, however, the actual place “of birth” is not the places indicated on these documents, because the State of Hawaii directs the Department of Health to report them as being in Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii, even when the births occur anywhere else in the world.”
Source please.
When people act ridiculous, shame and ridicule is the proper social response.
I myself brought up the Scopes article once here on FR when the cry went out “We don't even know who the birth Dr. is”.
Not that it was anything other than hearsay, but it wasn't as if there was no link at all to anyone who ever saw him as a baby, or a contemporaneous birth announcement in newspapers no doubt generated when the data present on both COLB forms was first entered into the system (fraudulently you maintain).
Now no birther seems to have ANY TROUBLE AT ALL finding the name Dr. West.
The Nordike twins long form COLB was the gold standard - until the 0bama long form COLB came out - then it was either copied from the Nordike - or insufficient and not at all the same (despite being the same thing).
The fixation (again) about “African” and the pretense that it is new. Because if it said “African” that is wrong, and if it said anything other than “African” well that would be wrong also - because the short form COLB says “African”.
Birthers cried out with wailing and gnashing of teeth that “if ONLY he would release the LONG FORM this would ALL GO AWAY!!!!!!” - and I predicted that it would not at all never in no way ever go away.........
Why release it now? Why the delay? It is a fraud. The data in it is fraudulent. What is he still hiding. YOU CAN'T FOOL ME!
and.....
He cannot ever be a NBC, both the short form and long form COLB prove he isn't a NBC because his father was not an American citizen, dual citizen, foreign adoption.
Eat crow and like it.