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To: allmendream

It is unfortunate that you disregarded the previous information. The State of Hawaii policies and habit is to issue an official birth certificate using the Kapiolani Hospital as the place of exxamination long after the birth actually occurred in some other locale. The other locale of the actual birth can be at home in Honolulu, Hawaii. It can be at a maternity hospital or home for unwed mothers in Vancouver, British columbia, Canada. It can be at the Coastline Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. In each case the State of Hawaii will still issue an Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth whenever a family member submits a request for the certificate while merely claiming the parents of the child met the residency and/or citizenship qualifications of the sate of Hawaii.

In the event that the claim of residency and/or place of birth were false and fraudulent, the State of Hawaii would still have issued the Certificate of Live Birth without questioning the fraudulent claims provided in the registration of the birth. So, there was nothing to prevent Madelyn Dunham from filing for her daughter and using fraudulent information. The informaton on the Obama Certificate of Live Birth tends to stronlgy indicate his birth did not occur at the Kapiolani Hospital, and it does stronly indicate it occurred elsewhere inside Hawaii or outside Hawaii.

The Dr. West versus Dr. Sinclair issue is problematical, because it raises more questions than it answers. For one example, if Obama was born outside of the Kapiolani Hospital and Dr. West happened to be the physician attendant at the birth, it may require explanation yet remain possible Dr. Sinclair was called upon to make an examination of the child at Kapilani Hospital days after birth for the purpose of completing the application for the Certificate of Live Birth. There are also a number of other posssible explanatoins for both physicians becoming involved in the birth and paperwork, while the birth did not occur at the hospital. Consequently, the latest Obama Certificate of Live Birth is inherently incapable of precluding the possibility of the birth occuring somewhere other than the Kapiolani hospital appearing on the document.

A child can be born anyplace in the world, and the State of Hawaii will issue an official Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth for that child, if the family claims the parents met the Hawaiian requirements for residency and/or citizenship. The State of Hawaii does not consider such a Certificate of Live Birth to be fraudulent, even though the actual non-Hawaiian place of birth does not appear on the Certificate of Live Birth.


42 posted on 05/04/2011 1:28:06 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
It is unfortunate that you cannot follow a simple argument.

The poster claimed that the short form COLB listed Dr. West - that is in error.

Do you disagree? Do you think the COLB listed Dr. West?

If not then we didn't seem to have any point of contention when you began this.

It was a Snopes article that suggested Dr. West was the attending physician and supplied second hand quotes attributed to him, none of which were inconsistent with him being there but not being the birth doctor.

The information of the COLB tends to strongly indicate, by directly stating as much, that the birth happened in Honolulu Hawaii - as both the short form and long form said as much.

45 posted on 05/04/2011 1:40:11 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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