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To: LeGrande
No, my point is that Elohim, Jehovah, Allah, etc. have no morals and as a consequence their followers have no moral foundation. I particularly disagree with the concept that all are born into sin. What kind of Evil concept is that?

So you do believe in a transcendent God? If you do not believe in God why do you complain about something which does not exist? Morality,....in the atheists' world cannot be accounted for. If so, justify immorality/morality in a Godless world. Even Nietzche knew in a world without God, all things are permitted and would degenerate to every man becomes a god unto himelf. No standard of right..only opinion vs. opinion. Usually the man with the biggest guns' idea of morality prevailed, until a larger gun comes along.

99 posted on 05/01/2011 3:27:58 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter ( ma)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Morality,....in the atheists' world cannot be accounted for.

Nonsense. The Golden Rule suffices.

100 posted on 05/01/2011 3:29:50 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Texas Songwriter
So you do believe in a transcendent God? If you do not believe in God why do you complain about something which does not exist?

I don't believe in Allah either. I poke fun at you and them because you attack us. I didn't start this thread. This thread was started by a born Againer attacking Atheists.

Morality,....in the atheists' world cannot be accounted for. If so, justify immorality/morality in a Godless world.

Morality without God is easy to account for. It is the Prisoners Dilemma. The basic idea is that if you help others and work together you will be much better off. That is the basic "moral" principle that underlies all morality. In other words it is simply selfishness coupled with the understanding that helping and cooperating with others gets you more of whatever you want. That is why it is immoral to lie, steal, murder, etc. Those are all uncooperative acts, hence immoral.

Usually the man with the biggest guns' idea of morality prevailed, until a larger gun comes along.

Might makes Right violates the principle of cooperation, sadly it is often correct. Elohim gives many examples of that principle in his book, where he employs it against his enemies. Might Makes Right is obviously the premier Christian and Muslim morality.

Have you actually read the book and the theories that you are desperately trying to defend? Morality doesn't come from there.

105 posted on 05/01/2011 4:10:28 PM PDT by LeGrande (I believe in liberty; but I do not believe in liberty enough to want to force it upon anyone.)
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