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To: D-fendr
Under Salvation, the clear statement is: “Simply through believing the good news that Christ died for his or her sins and then rose from the dead, a person can be forgiven of all sin, declared righteous by God, reborn into new life, and guaranteed eternal life with God”

But you can't believe that simple belief without the belief of the divinity of Chirst and the Trinity. I've made it clear enough that I do not believe that any works that I do or do not do have any impact on my salvation. That said I know I have not burned anyone at the stake for any belief. There are Christian churches that have done so.

3,822 posted on 06/23/2011 5:40:26 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
But you can't believe that simple belief without the belief of the divinity of Chirst and the Trinity.

Sure you can. Just believe what it says you have to believe. Nothing about Trinity - or repentance for that matter - or anything else in the statement. It's obviously teaching the common sinner's prayer soteriology.

3,823 posted on 06/23/2011 5:46:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: AndrewC
I've made it clear enough that I do not believe that any works that I do or do not do have any impact on my salvation.

So anything you do - by commission or omission - is ok so long as you say the sinner's prayer and believe the Trinity? Pride, selfishness, envy, hate… don't matter, so long as you "believe." I don't think you believe that.

That said I know I have not burned anyone at the stake for any belief.

Me either.

There are Christian churches that have done so.

Until the modern era, particularly during the Wars of Religion in Europe, 1525-1648, there was almost constant killing over religion. My ancestors were most likely on the Protestant side in Germany and Scandinavia. Yours?

3,825 posted on 06/23/2011 6:00:15 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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