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To: metmom; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; xzins; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
I find that the concept of God creating evil is inconsistent with the nature of God as revealed elsewhere in Scripture. OTOH, I do not see it inconsistent at all to see God creating calamity, adversity, or affliction. Precious few people seek God out when everything is going well and they are fat, dumb, and happy. He uses the pressure of adversity to show us our need for Him, our dependence on Him, and thus to bring us to Himself.

I see it that way, too, dear sister in Christ!

Adversity (i.e., difficulty, misfortune) is not the same thing as "evil" spelled with an upper-case "E." But we generally do not recognize the distinction. So if we so much as get a hangnail, we view it as an "evil" perpetrated on us. Anything that disturbs our complacently and/or comfort can be labeled "evil."

Satan gets the last laugh on this score....

Thank you ever so much for your insights re: Isaiah 45:7!

3,801 posted on 06/23/2011 12:12:34 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop
Adversity (i.e., difficulty, misfortune) is not the same thing as "evil" spelled with an upper-case "E." But we generally do not recognize the distinction. So if we so much as get a hangnail, we view it as an "evil" perpetrated on us. Anything that disturbs our complacently and/or comfort can be labeled "evil." Satan gets the last laugh on this score....

Isn't that the truth! We also forget we ourselves are clumsey and can aften create our own misery...last night I bumped my toe on the recliner..ouch! Grit my teeth and of course blamed the chair....when in fact I was walking in the dark.

3,802 posted on 06/23/2011 12:36:34 PM PDT by caww
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To: betty boop; metmom; Alamo-Girl

E.M. Bounds wrote that there are, “Two kinds of providences are seen in God’s dealings with men, direct providences and permissive providences. God orders some things, others He permits. But when He permits an affliction to come into the life of His saint, even though it originates in a wicked mind, and it is the act of a sinner, yet before it strikes His saint and touches him, it becomes God’s providence to the saint, In other words, God consents to some things in this world, many of them very painful and afflicting, without in the least being responsible for them, or in the least excusing him who originates them, but such events or things always become to the saint of God the providence of God to him. So the saint can say in each and all of these sad and distressing experiences, “It is the Lord; let him do what seems him good.” Or with the psalmist, he may say, “I was dumb; I opened not my mouth, because thou didst it.” (Or with Isaiah, he may say, “I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”)

Affliction that originates in a wicked mind, and is the act of a sinner is evil, but as Joseph said to his brothers,
“But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good”.


3,803 posted on 06/23/2011 1:07:42 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: betty boop
Adversity (i.e., difficulty, misfortune) is not the same thing as "evil" spelled with an upper-case "E." But we generally do not recognize the distinction. So if we so much as get a hangnail, we view it as an "evil" perpetrated on us. Anything that disturbs our complacently and/or comfort can be labeled "evil."

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

3,848 posted on 06/23/2011 8:17:25 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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