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To: Godzilla; Diamond
Hellenization was very evident among Jews in Israel...The common man felt both sides of the tension, being hellenized to various degrees based upon location and social status

No doubt, just as the world is Americanized today. That doesn't mean the world has a sophisticated knowledge of the English language down to the common farmer. They are familiar with brands and have the ability to communicate. In the Middle East very few people actually speak English.

Your average Greek fisherman doesn't speak English, neither does your average Spanish farmer. Your average Moroccan cazba merchant may be able to offer his items in several broken European languages, but not hold a political or philosophical discourse in any.

The Hellenization came, of course, from Alexander the Great and his conquest. But the nature of the Jewish culture was such as to prohibit mixing with the Gentiles, eating with them, etc., so the direct contact was much more limited, the exchange of information also, and education was reserved for a few and far in between.

To simply assume the Palestinian Jews were fluent Greek speakers, or that they would preferably write in Greek than in Aramaic for other Jews is far fetched. The situation with Jewish Diaspora in Egypt and Asia Minor was different. They lost their language and spoke and wrote in Greek the way American Jews speak and write in English.

3,361 posted on 06/15/2011 7:15:19 AM PDT by kosta50
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To: kosta50; Diamond
No doubt, just as the world is Americanized today.

Poor analogy kosta. Islamic countries, most asian countries, heck very few areas would be considered to be 'americanized' kosta. An argument could be made for "westernized" because the european powers were far more into colonization around the world than America.

Your average Greek fisherman doesn't speak English, neither does your average Spanish farmer.

Just shot your 'americanized' argument in the foot.

To simply assume the Palestinian Jews were fluent Greek speakers, or that they would preferably write in Greek than in Aramaic for other Jews is far fetched.

You are taking my point beyond what I stated. Greek was not likely their first language, but they were probably more than adequately fluent in greek because of the centuries for greek occupation and that greek was the linguna franca (sp) of the world. The period of greek rule of Israel was one of intense work to remove Jewish life and superimpose greek language and culture.

The situation with Jewish Diaspora in Egypt and Asia Minor was different.

Then don't dilute the subject - jews outside of Israel were not the issue.

Many Jewish writings from the era were written in Greek, including works such as 2 Maccabees and 1 Esdras. Scholars have found some ninety Greek inscriptions on ossuaries (boxes for bones) that date to around the time of Jesus and were found in or around Jerusalem. So your dismissal of the use of Greek and the extent of literacy is not well founded kosta.

3,369 posted on 06/15/2011 9:55:54 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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