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To: kosta50; metmom; betty boop; ejonesie22; caww; boatbums
But, G, you have as much proof that there is, as he does that there isn't a God; zilch.

Yes I do kosta - it is the empty tomb and the testimonies of the eyewitnesses. I know already you reject that evidence from the start, but nothing else explains the phenomena of the Church. Secondly kosta, you of all people know that two opposing truths cannot coexist.

3,032 posted on 06/12/2011 4:57:30 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
I have further evidence.

Every time some brilliant Atheist says “I don't know” about any given cosmological, biological or other scientific concept or discipline they have found God for me...

3,034 posted on 06/12/2011 5:14:29 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Godzilla; metmom; betty boop; ejonesie22; caww; boatbums; James C. Bennett; LeGrande; ...
Yes I do kosta - it is the empty tomb and the testimonies of the eyewitnesses. I know already you reject that evidence from the start, but nothing else explains the phenomena of the Church. Secondly kosta, you of all people know that two opposing truths cannot coexist

Okay, G, thanks for sharing that. Here is how I see this proof: (1) empty tomb only means that a body was removed. How was it removed, I don't know; you don;t know either. (2) the eyewitness account are notoriously unreliable. In 1917 thousands of people in Fatima, Portugal, "witness" the Sun falling on earth.

Luckily (or not), the cameras of various reporters at the scene failed to confirm, that. Without the photographic evidence showing that no solar activity occurred, the mass hysteria, for the lack of a better word and not trying to insult anyone, would have been taken as "fact". How wrong would that have been? This is how myths and legends are created, G. In less than a century it can become a dogma.

My third objection to your proof is that Jesus eyewitnesses did not include the people who condemned him, such as the Sanhedrin or Pilate. Their eyewitness would have carried a lot more weight, I think. Converting your enemies always does.

As for "nothing else explains the phenomena of the Church", G, it was Emperor Constantine, not Jesus and not Paul, who is responsible for the phenomenon of the Church. He not only allowed Christianity, based on a superstitious dream he had, but made it a state religion, prohibiting all pagan religions with the penalty of death for those who did not convert.

The number of Christians, contrary to popular opinions, appear not to have been really very high before that.

Again, neither of us are eyewitnesses, nor do we have any definitive evidence one way or another that God exists. You choose to believe the evidence that you offer, and others choose to disbelieve based on the evidence they have. Others, like myself, chose to live with doubt without condemning either.

3,038 posted on 06/12/2011 6:04:30 PM PDT by kosta50
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