Humans are created normally by the 'whims of man' James - or are you announcing that you were begotten in a different manner? Your version of God may feel 'forced', I don't think man can force God to do anything outside of His will.
I am talking about a clone, Godzilla. One created by scientists out of body cells.
It was his will that humans have a soul and spirit, and that this clone (twin) is every bit human - just split off at a much later time.
Yet, the clone is a separate individual from the source, is it not? The source (with its "soul") and the clone cannot possibly share the same "soul", correct? The clone needs a "new soul" to be introduced into it. Since the creation of the clone is itself a product of the whims of Man, this deity of yours (God) is thus forced to intervene and create a "new soul" for the clone.
But this raises an interesting point - how can you claim to know that God would be 'forced' to do anything James - since you reject the very existence of God to begin with. Upon what do you found the basis of your statement?
I really am perplexed why you ask this. I don't know what was lost in the translation, but if it has escaped you, my way of showing why I find belief in supernatural entities to be irrational is by admitting for the sake of argument the existence of the said entity, temporarily, and then bringing about a real, undeniable absurdity that results from its characteristics. I did this with the isolated tribal example, with the deity-outside-time-ordering-sequential-events example, and here, with the clone example. I hope I have clarified your doubts.
Duh james, yet there is a common principle here - both result in a created human life.
Yet, the clone is a separate individual from the source, is it not?
Again - the analogy of the twin is still applicable since they come from the same single cell(s) that then split.
The clone needs a "new soul" to be introduced into it. Since the creation of the clone is itself a product of the whims of Man, this deity of yours (God) is thus forced to intervene and create a "new soul" for the clone.
A sperm and egg are joined in a test tube creating a new human - new life, new soul. I see nothing different here. There is no intervention, just an established process james. But then atheists don't acknowledge 'souls' now do they. All the more reason for any human clones to fear you and your kind.
I really am perplexed why you ask this. I don't know what was lost in the translation, but if it has escaped you, my way of showing why I find belief in supernatural entities to be irrational is by admitting for the sake of argument the existence of the said entity, temporarily, and then bringing about a real, undeniable absurdity that results from its characteristics.
I do this to point out the hypocrisy of your strawman because you structure it with the intent to fail. Yet I've already pointed out that there would be no inconsistencies for this clone to have a soul and spirit any more than for a twin to have a soul and spirit too. Therefore you need to clarify the foundational 'theology' you are 'representing' with your examples james.
I hope I have clarified your doubts.
Nope, only reinforced the bias attached to you challenges.