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To: Godzilla
Thanks Godzilla, at least this discussion is progressing somewhere at last!

Fine - 1 and 2 are easy - since it requires the ability to make a conscience decision to repent and accept Jesus, the stillborn (anywhere in the world) and those mentally impaired are not damned - very easy case to make from the Bible.

So, they would be saved. Correct?

A clone would be more difficult now wouldn’t it.

Yes, which was my point.

Yet there is a form of cloning - twins - that shows that yes, both would be in need of salvation, since both developed into humans. So too, if a complete human was cloned - that person would be equivalent to a twin, a human, still in need of salvation and protection from atheists who would want to treat them as something other than humans.

However, in the case of cloning, it is artificially induced. Would it then not mean that the deity - God - is forced by human intervention to create a "new soul" for the clone, purely due to the whims of Man?

2,668 posted on 06/10/2011 3:34:08 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett; metmom; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Colofornian; aMorePerfectUnion
So, they would be saved. Correct?

I believe that the bible supports that interpretation.

Yes, which was my point.

Difficult - yes indeed for those of us with finite minds and not that of God. This directly answers why there is a need for scriptures. General revelation will not give us God's more specific insight on these items james.

Can you as an atheist call the clone human? Or do you consider it to be an artificial construct to be done with as you see fit? On what basis do you make your decision?

However, in the case of cloning, it is artificially induced. Would it then not mean that the deity - God - is forced by human intervention to create a "new soul" for the clone, purely due to the whims of Man?

Humans are created normally by the 'whims of man' james - or are you announcing that you were begotten in a different manner? Your version of God may feel 'forced', I don't think man can force God to do anything outside of his will. It was his will that humans have a soul and spirit, and that this clone (twin) is every bit human - just split off at a much later time.

But this raises an interesting point - how can you claim to know that God would be 'forced' to do anything james - since you reject the very existence of God to begin with. Upon what do you found the basis of your statement?

2,675 posted on 06/10/2011 3:57:22 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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