Yay!!! More bean-counter thinking from our friend LeGrande, dogmatic fundie-atheist. As is typical of this breed, rather than tell us why he thinks "innocent ignorance" is a putative "misnomer," he simply takes the opportunity to smear "the so called Christian posters on this thread" as ignoramuses. All heat, no light....
Thank you, dear Matchett-PI, for the link to a website that promulgates fundamentalist-atheist dogma. This dogma is the total inversion of reality, dumped into a sewer. It is moreover relentlessly irrational bordering on the totally insane. One hears the howlings of Lucifer in its texts, particularly the line about "ye shall be as gods."
Lucifer's specialty is the total inversion of reality. He so detests and reviles God and His Creation — especially man — that he tirelessly works to destroy Creation's meaning by changing the way a man thinks about it; i.e., about God's Great Hierarchy of Being — God–Man–World–Society — and man's place in it. He knows he cannot destroy any part of God's works directly; but he can mislead, "tempt," man's proper understanding of them. Once man is disordered, he will disorder his world. Satan doesn't need a wrecking ball when he can get man to do his dirty work for him.
In man's case, the "inversion" consists in the defacement of the image of God in his soul — which is what makes us truly human, and unique among all the creatures that God made.
What I find most fascinating about atheists is their seemingly unshakable confidence that God does not exist, that He is a "fiction" or a hallucination in a man's mind. Or so they keep saying....
But note this precious fact: Satan himself has never made that claim. On the contrary, Satan very well knows that God exists. He even hangs out with Him from time to time; e.g., the Book of Job, the Gospel of John.
Rather than deny God (which he knows he cannot do without destroying the ground of his own existence), this passage from P.D. Ouspensky's A New Model of the Universe suggests what he's up to (paraphrasing):
I am Satan, the Father of Lies; and the greatest Lie I ever told was that I do not exist.That is, objective evil does not exist. Questions of Good and Evil are really meaningless, because they only have subjective answers, opinions; and one man's opinion is just as good (or bad) as another's. I do believe that this is the view of kosta, JCB, and LG; and thus indubitably they self-identify as dogmatic fundie-atheists.
But 'nuff said. Back to "innocent ignorance." James C. Bennett gives us a fascinating example of the moral inversion so characteristic of fundie-atheists:
Since belief in your deity’s dogma allows for the forgiving of sins, however grave they may be, what is to stop you from committing the worst of atrocities, and then begging forgiveness after the fact? To know you will be forgiven, allows you to do whatever you want, and then beg forgiveness.But this is the total inversion of "innocent ignorance." The fact of premeditation proves it is, not innocent, but entirely, indelibly, lastingly culpable.
"Innocent ignorance" refers to a person who has no knowledge or understanding of the wrongness of his contemplated action before it is committed. If one truly does not understand the "wrong" of an action, one cannot be held "guilty" for it. (In criminal trials, one does not send an incompetent person to the death chamber, even if that incompetent committed mass murder.) But once the man understands the wrongness of the action, he is culpably responsible if he repeats it.
But JCB is arguing the very inverse of this, that the consequence of the evil premeditation is cancelled out by invoking the proper forms of "I'm sorry" before God later on. But this is to make a mockery of God. (No surprise there, coming from an atheist.)
I would simply remind JCB that God will not be mocked....
In closing, it seems to me JCB's — and kosta's, and LG's — woeful "ignorance" of God is entirely willful, not "innocent."
JMHO, FWIW.
Methinks some fundie atheists got pwnd....
But that said,
In before the mockery and derision of your post.
But JCB is arguing the very inverse of this, that the consequence of the evil premeditation is cancelled out by invoking the proper forms of "I'm sorry" before God later on. But this is to make a mockery of God. (No surprise there, coming from an atheist.)
I would simply remind JCB that God will not be mocked....
Monkey Babble Mockery. Pure and simple. But why the preposterous confidence about what an ape can know of reality? But timelessness takes time. You can't just tell a snake to get some legs, nor can you tell a troll to get a clue. Some men crawl on their bellies and others walk upright. Some say we should give them a break. Me? I'll give them a banana. :)
I was being polite. Are you as intentionally ignorant about simple scientific facts (relative motion) as Ethan and Jesse, betty boop? I noticed you never jumped in to defend the truth.
In closing, it seems to me JCB's — and kosta's, and LG's — woeful "ignorance" of God is entirely willful, not "innocent."
LOL betty. You don't like it when I accurately call Christians ignoramuses and then you turn right around and prove my case with your projection. I will have to start calling you Miss projectionist : )
You know I am just teasing and I love you don't you?