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To: metmom
Here is another thing that used to puzzle me. Is it not frightfully unfair that this new life should be confined to people who have heard of Christ and been able to believe in Him? But the truth is God has not told us what His arrangements about the other people are. We do know that no man can be saved except through Christ; we do not know that only those who know Him can be saved through Him. But in the meantime, if you are worried about the people outside, the most unreasonable thing you can do is to remain outside yourself. Christians are Christ's body, the organism through which He works. Every addition to that body enables Him to do more. If you want to help those outside you must add your own little cell to the body of Christ who alone can help them. Cutting off a man's fingers would be an odd way of getting him to do more work.

C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

2,355 posted on 06/09/2011 3:00:48 PM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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To: Wallop the Cat; metmom; kosta50
But in the meantime, if you are worried about the people outside, the most unreasonable thing you can do is to remain outside yourself.

Again, I repeat, we are testing the alleged universality of what is supposed to be a 'universal truth'. To that end, discussing me is immaterial. Why is this so hard to grasp?

I guess the predictable self-pats will follow.

2,357 posted on 06/09/2011 3:03:24 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Wallop the Cat

You are right. CS Lewis does a great job with addressing the common arguments of atheists, having been one himself. I daresay that no atheist would dare to read Mere Christianity, or The Screwtape Letters, or The Problem of Pain.

It is not our concern how God judges those who never heard. It IS our concern to spread the gospel.

And just as in the days of Paul, people are still mocking the resurrection.

Acts 17:22-34

22So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. 23For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. 24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28for

“’In him we live and move and have our being’;

as even some of your own poets have said,

“’For we are indeed his offspring.’

29 Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

32Now when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked. But others said, “We will hear you again about this.” 33So Paul went out from their midst. 34But some men joined him and believed, among whom also were Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris and others with them.

Romans 2:12-16

12For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


2,361 posted on 06/09/2011 3:08:34 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Wallop the Cat; metmom; James C. Bennett
Christians are Christ's body, the organism through which He works. Every addition to that body enables Him to do more

So, according to the C. S. Lewis Christ's ability depends on man? Wow, and this Lewis is a Christian heavyweight?

2,383 posted on 06/09/2011 3:53:42 PM PDT by kosta50
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