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To: metmom; kosta50
I take your second reply as an implicit admission of the fact that you inadequately answered the question, earlier. However, you're still obfuscating instead of providing a clear answer:

"What exactly is the purpose of your grilling people about the salvation of *tribals*? How is that relevant to you? Do you not trust God to judge them justly? How is His dealing with them going to affect you anyway?

You are not a *tribal* who has never heard the gospel. You have heard it plainly and clearly many times over the years here on FR. What you are responsible for is what you do with the knowledge which has been granted you and with the amount of knowledge you have available, you have the greater accountability."

See, I have clarified this earlier, repeatedly. All I need to do to prove your entire dogma as false is to provide a counter-example. This is how assumed theories are proven wrong. I am not speaking about myself here, but about an exception that fails the salvation test of your adopted dogma whilst being innocent.

Had you answered with a "yes" to the question whether the tribals are saved due to ignorance, then your entire scriptures, its dogma and its contents are not a pre-condition to salvation. Had you answered with a "no" then it makes your dogma inadequate to address the salvation modes necessary to make it applicable for all modes of human existence.

You are aware of this serious, serious problem, and hence, the obfuscation.

Saved or not?

2,346 posted on 06/09/2011 2:36:32 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Your misunderstanding of salvation is your problem.

Salvation is not by dogma, nor adherence to a set of beliefs. What you are describing is religion, not Christianity.

Christianity is about forgiveness through the person of Jesus Christ as the propitiation for our sins. God’s divine justice, death for sin, was satisfied with the death of Christ on the cross. Since Jesus was sinless, death could not hold Him.

God has decreed that anyone who puts their faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross, will be saved, by grace through faith.

Each man is accountable to God for responding to the amount of knowledge that has been given him. God’s justice in the matter will be just as He alone knows the heart.

You can carry on all you want about those who have never heard and whether they are saved of not, but it makes not one bit of difference when YOU are standing before God and He is asking you to account for yourself. Pointing to the tribals and demanding that God answer adequately about them before you answer to Him is not going to cut it.

It is merely a distraction technique that God is not going to be side tracked by. There will be no negotiating with God that if He give you an adequate answer, then you’ll tell Him what he wants to know.


2,353 posted on 06/09/2011 2:56:22 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: James C. Bennett; metmom
This is how assumed theories are proven wrong. I am not speaking about myself here, but about an exception that fails the salvation test of your adopted dogma whilst being innocent.

Careful, you may exceed her voltage. :)

2,378 posted on 06/09/2011 3:43:44 PM PDT by kosta50
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To: James C. Bennett; metmom

I’ve seen you throw up this ‘tribes’ issue and set up an inadaquate parameters. You presume to know the heart condition of these tribal members. Prove to me that they are not saved by what God has revealed to them? Prove to me that God has not revealed Himself them.


2,430 posted on 06/09/2011 5:02:55 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: James C. Bennett
Had you answered with a "yes" to the question whether the tribals are saved due to ignorance, then your entire scriptures, its dogma and its contents are not a pre-condition to salvation. Had you answered with a "no" then it makes your dogma inadequate to address the salvation modes necessary to make it applicable for all modes of human existence.

You are assuming the answer is yes or no. In fact, you are assuming (it would seem arrogantly), that your question is an important, decisive, logical question. None of that is true.

metmom gave you a great answer. God will judge justly. He will do the most loving thing as he does the just thing. It won't be the least strain on Him. I know secondhand of instances that Muslims had visions or dreams where Christ appeared and they became Christians - despite having no Christians to communicate the Gospel and no Bible to read.

... but in the end, you ain't one of them. You've heard, rejected, and set yourself up as the moral judge of God - apparently.

ampu

2,458 posted on 06/09/2011 7:00:09 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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