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To: James C. Bennett; Alamo-Girl; Matchett-PI; kosta50; MHGinTN; metmom; spirited irish; wendy1946; ...
What happens to those isolated tribals I was talking about earlier? Are they “saved” due to ignorance?

To your question, all I can say is this: If you have understood anything I've written subsequently to your first "complaint" of this type, then you should be able to answer it for yourself.

Yet it seems you are trying to entangle the debate in the peripheral weeds, to the most minor details of our present problem, such that we need not address the central issues that drive the problem in the first place. This looks like a distraction, a diversion, to me FWIW....

If you are asking for my opinion about what happens to "isolated tribals," all I can say is this: As far as I know, "innocent" ignorance is not punishable, on the grounds that you cannot be held justly accountable for what you do not know owing to lack of opportunity to learn because of the historical/cultural context and/or family situation into which you were born.

[Oddly, to ask about "isolated tribals" is sort of like asking about existentially "alienated" post-modern humans.... ]

Only willful ignorance is subject to judgment. "Willful" entails that you have heard the truth, but deliberately reject it. It seems to me a man made in the image of God should know better than to do that....

To me, practically speaking, such willful ignorance involves something very like a deliberate operation of self-lobotomy.... It represents as a self-imposed diminution of God-given human nature....

In a recent post by Matchett-PI, Gagdad Bob was quoted as saying, regarding atheists, that

"Rational they are not. Or, at the very least, the more sober among them prove the adage that there is a form of madness that consists of losing everything with the exception of one’s reason."

But the irony here is this: If "everything with the exception of one’s reason" is gone, then what is there for reason — the human mind — to do?

Rather than address this *central* issue, you want to drag me into the weeds to agonize over the eternal future of "isolated tribals?"

Pul-eeeeeze....

Thanks for writing, James C. Bennett! .

2,023 posted on 06/05/2011 3:50:53 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop; kosta50
As far as I know, "innocent" ignorance is not punishable, on the grounds that you cannot be held justly accountable for what you do not know owing to lack of opportunity to learn because of the historical/cultural context and/or family situation into which you were born.

So, would it be better to leave all the isolated tribes around the planet today, and such communities, whose members haven't heard of your religion's dogma, to live their lives as they see fit, so that they may use the claim of this 'innocent ignorance' as you mention, which guarantees their salvation?

Such people and communities do exist today, Betty Boop, no matter how much you may wish to think they do not. They are no "alienated" post-modern humans, but real, living, walking, talking tribals who haven't heard your dogma.

The question I asked has implication in this very present world, as much as it is philosophical. If this 'innocent ignorance' guarantees salvation as compared to being aware of dogma and then being forced to obey it as a pre-condition to salvation, the ignorance route would have a stronger guarantee of said salvation.

2,024 posted on 06/05/2011 4:01:29 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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