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To: betty boop

Time as we experience it now, may be long or short. Time as we will expereince it ‘then’ will be alrge, very very large, as in a nearly infinite volume. [Since Time as a dimensional expression had a beginning, it is not exactly correct to refer to ‘unending’ as eternal, is it?]


2,015 posted on 06/05/2011 12:41:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; Matchett-PI; metmom; wendy1946; hershey; xzins; spirited irish; ...
Since Time as a dimensional expression had a beginning, it is not exactly correct to refer to ‘unending’ as eternal, is it?

Certainly it is the experience of man that things that "begin" in time have their "ending" in time. In Nature, there appear to be no exceptions to this rule.

Yet Christian prayers invoke a divine context that transcends Nature. For instance, "For Thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory forever and ever. Amen."

And —

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost —
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be,
World without end. Amen.

Which to my mind definitely suggest that, from God's standpoint (outside of human conceptions of time), things which "begin" do not necessarily have "endings."

In this context, of those "unending things," what shall we call them but: eternal?

2,017 posted on 06/05/2011 1:15:49 PM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through, the eye. — William Blake)
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Time as we experience it now, may be long or short. Time as we will expereince it ‘then’ will be large, very very large, as in a nearly infinite volume. [Since Time as a dimensional expression had a beginning, it is not exactly correct to refer to ‘unending’ as eternal, is it?]

Large or small, what is experienced as time, will also determine what is possible as action. For those "large" moments where the experience of time between moments is lengthy, it will imply that actions performed are equally lengthy in terms of duration taken for completion. In other words, if the decision to thank someone takes the mental processes half a millisecond to decide to do so, then if, as you imply, that half a millisecond is "longer" in this "paradise" than here on Earth, the decision process is prolonged equally. One would thus end up taking just as long to thank someone, from the point of view of perception, in this hypothetical "paradise" as here on Earth. Unless the relative times are different.

So, for a god to be a god, how does it decide two sequential events without time? If this god always existed, then poof, decided to create the Universe, and then decided to destroy it, how is this sequence maintained without time? If this god is provided time, how is this god a god, for now this god is under the realm of time, and therefore not timeless?

2,021 posted on 06/05/2011 3:14:55 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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