Posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode
Please. Are all your choices works? Was your choice to accept Christ works?
Father who will not capriciously disown His children
Will he tie them up if they insist on running away? Or take away their free will?
I thought you said you weren't Calvinist? You're veering into Calvinist thinking here.
This is linked to the baptism of water and spirit that we see at the time of His Crucifixion, this was Water and Spirit, the blood and water that flowed from the pierced side of the crucified Jesus are types of Baptism and the Eucharist, the sacraments of new life. Jn 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
This is what Christ foretold before His sacrifice in Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
The water is not a symbol, it is the medium and yes, this is through which the Lord saves us
1 Peter 3:20-21 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
If you believe in the Jehovah's Witness belief, it is your choice of belief, but it is not a "personal question" when talking of religion.
But no one's questioning you about your motives or choices. The question is what denomination do you belong to? What are your beliefs?
No one is asking you your motives
On the contrary, come on, you have asked Catholics
It's only normal to expect the same questions from others, right?
That's God you dismiss as the Final Authority.
You aren't putting God first…
Au contraire. I am putting God first. And you keep objecting to it.
So can you be wrong, as I pointed out. I stated you drew a universal from solely an existential. That is a logical error. Whether or not I could be wrong was not the question.
Backsliding is also not the question. It is whether baptism is required for salvation. You say it is. I say it isn't. One of us is wrong. I have been baptized.
That is for me to decide, NOT YOU. Unless you can cite some obligation I have to answer questions then you come as a one asking a favor, a favor I choose not to grant. Period.
And your persistence when told “NO” is both rude and annoying, even for the Religion forum.
What I believe has been made quite clear from the many discussions I've engaged in and that will have to suffice with or without your permission to believe as JWs, or Adventists or as cargo cults do.
Is that clear enough or do I need to break it down a bit more?
Fine, then stop asking us about what we believe in -- if you don't want to be asked questions, then don't ask others. Isn't that right?
Also, don't make this about "granting permission" or not -- no one said that -- but you ask us about our faith and if we ask you, the it is "a personal thing"? Isn't that hypocritical?
Whatever you want to believe, that is your free will choice to do, but if you ask me about my faith, why should I not ask you about yours?
I stated you drew a universal from solely an existential. That is a logical error.
Well then let me restate: You can be wrong.
So can you be wrong
Yep, me, you, all humans can be wrong. Except for you?
That would be illogical I think: All humans can be wrong; Andrew is a human; Andrew cannot be wrong.
It is a Sacrament of the Church instituted by Our Saviour. But as I said before: God is not bound by the Sacraments. We should not presume salvation. We pray for His mercy.
Ra
AV — evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34
If you can find it in the Bible.
John 1:1-17
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light.
9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. 11He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. 12But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15( John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'") 16And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Jesus will be the final authority, but here on earth the Bible is the written word which bears witness of Jesus and points to Him and gives us all we need that pertains to salvation and living a godly life.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it 15and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Scripture is not merely writings of ancient wise men. God breathed means God breathed.
So what happened to free will? Are you a Calvinist after all?
lol. Amen. We’re all Calvinists when we’re on our knees.
Not my will, but thine.
No. It is not presumption to accept that Jesus is stating a fact in John 10:28.
Yep, me, you, all humans can be wrong. Except for you?
Of course I can be wrong. I have admitted it, but somehow your fixation prevents your eyes from seeing that admission.
That would be illogical I think: All humans can be wrong; Andrew is a human; Andrew cannot be wrong.
Jesus was a human, ie one of your premises is wrong.
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