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When Atheists Attack (Each Other)
Evolution News and Views ^ | April 28 2011 | Davld Klinghoffer

Posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:18 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

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To: kosta50
Perhaps you have missed this warning....Consider yourselves advised.

'Thick skin is needed on open forums' -- have you heard that one before, kosta? I guess that only applies to some...

2,941 posted on 06/11/2011 10:04:27 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos; presently no screen name; kosta50; metmom
No personal attacks? Pointing out that one poster is a crypto-Moslem is a personal attack? Wow -- grow a thick skin, boatbums, as you constantly advising everyone else to do so..

Hey, my skin is too thick, I'll have you know! ;o)

To clarify - make it clear - my post was in response to Kosta50 (whom you have recruited to your attack force) who insisted that personal attacks WERE allowed outside of the Religion Forum. I simply explained that it is an overall rule for posting comments, as you see whenever you access the Posting Comment screen.

While we are on the subject, though, please explain why you continue to accuse PNSN of being a Muslim troll? This in spite of being corrected numerous times. It would be similar to me posting comments on every thread you participated and calling you a closet Presbyterian who is trying to cast Roman Catholics as bigoted, murderous idol worshipers. Would YOU put up with such things for very long? Would your fellow Catholic buddies let such things pass all in the name of "tough skin"??? Somehow, I do not think so. In fact, I believe the RM would receive dozens of abuse claims every time. I think PNSN and Metmom have been extremely tolerant of your incessant rants and stalking behavior. You should be grateful to them.

2,942 posted on 06/11/2011 10:40:35 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
It would be similar to me posting comments on every thread you participated

The differences are:

  1. I do not obsessively only post about this --> cases in point my posts here

  2. I tell you what I believe in, answer questions about what I believe. Why I even have talked about which dioceses I've belonged to. --> in contrast, have you seen him doing that? Talking about what he believes as opposed to disparaging that of others?

  3. Sure, say that on every thread and on every thread I'll repeat what I believe -- in contrast, if he is NOT a Moslem, it's easy -- just say "I ain't, I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior". -- how difficult is that? Yet, like Obama's birth certificate, this is kept secret (because it was forged, but that's another question)

Take both legrand and kosta -- neither of them is afraid to tell you what they do or don't believe in?

In contrast, if a poster tells you that the main point of a Christian's faith according to him is that Jesus preached and died, full stop -- you ask him "what about the resurrection -- THAT's the central distinguishing mark of Christianity" and he's silent....

2,943 posted on 06/11/2011 10:55:08 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
Would your fellow... buddies -- understand this, bb, you're a good person, you sincerely believe what you believe and share it with everyone instead of the straight attack all the time. Yet, this "buddies" is in-congruent on an anonymous forum.

it is aggrieving when many just band up with unitarians or jehovah's witnesses or moslems just as "buddies" and then go on raids without even knowing what their fellows believe in.

Kosta is an online friend of mine precisely because I know what he does or does not believe in -- he is honest. Yes, he is agnostic and I disagree with him publicly on that matter, but I appreciate his honesty in what he does or does not believe -- I don't agree, but appreciate the honesty.

I cannot understand people who will come on a Religion Forum and debate someone else's faith without saying what they themselves believe -- an athiest says "i don't believe", an agnostic says "I don't know", a Presbyterian/Catholic/Lutheran/Anglican/Methodist/Fundamentalist will point to the Nicene Creed as encapsualting the central tenets of their faith. A Baptist or Pentecostal may be wary of saying he adhered to the tenets of a creed, but at least he'll tell what he believes or not.

but the lone posters who won't even share their beliefs, just spout their hatred against all and sundry?

That is like someone jumping into a meeting of Republicans and not revealing whether he even IS a Republican or not or what his political views are -- a democrat in that gathering is still someone who tells you what they believes, but a RINO is more dangerous as they hide sneakily.

And these posters who do not talk about what they believe but attack everyone else -- they are akin to RINOs

2,944 posted on 06/11/2011 11:08:29 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos

Well said.

I find that most people who do this tend to be Christadelphians.

Hank


2,945 posted on 06/11/2011 11:14:29 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Ping me to join my anti-Christadelphian list - The best arcane religious doctrinal squabbling on FR!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball
tend to be Christadelphians.

Any idea why they hide their beliefs? After all, this is an internet forum, why not just share what they believe instead of attacking everyone else?

2,946 posted on 06/11/2011 11:27:02 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos; presently no screen name; metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; Iscool
Enough, Cronos! They HAVE posted their beliefs, many times, I have read them myself, and I know I haven't even read them all either. I think your problem is that you expect whoever you call out to jump on command and answer every question to your satisfaction and, if they fail to do so, you continue to browbeat and harass and follow from thread to thread demanding your answers. You have done it with Dr. Eckleburg, Metmom, PNSN, Quix, Iscool and others. You even did it with me a few times. I am not alone in observing it nor am I alone in abhorring it. You have been warned by the Moderator many times as well yet you rarely let it slow you down.

I really don't know what your problem is and why you can't just discuss the issues without becoming so creepy. This will be the last time I'm even going to reply to you on this subject. I get it that you get offended by those who disagree with your Catholic theology, but anyone who comes on these threads should expect to deal with criticism and be able to discuss differences WITHOUT resorting to personal attacks. You are not helping your point of view by this kind of action. I just wish you understood that you can't go around accusing fellow Freepers of things without any proof other than your own imagined slights.

2,947 posted on 06/11/2011 11:28:04 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
They HAVE posted their beliefs, many times, I have read them myself,

No, you haven't because they have not. Prove it.

2,948 posted on 06/11/2011 11:38:27 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums

And talking of “buddies” — why have you rung up your cohorts?


2,949 posted on 06/11/2011 11:38:57 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums
As I said, I cannot understand people who will come on a Religion Forum and debate someone else's faith without saying what they themselves believe -- an athiest says "i don't believe", an agnostic says "I don't know", a Presbyterian/Catholic/Lutheran/Anglican/Methodist/Fundamentalist will point to the Nicene Creed as encapsualting the central tenets of their faith. A Baptist or Pentecostal may be wary of saying he adhered to the tenets of a creed, but at least he'll tell what he believes or not.

but the lone posters who won't even share their beliefs, just spout their hatred against all and sundry?

That is like someone jumping into a meeting of Republicans and not revealing whether he even IS a Republican or not or what his political views are -- a democrat in that gathering is still someone who tells you what they believes, but a RINO is more dangerous as they hide sneakily.

And these posters who do not talk about what they believe but attack everyone else -- they are akin to RINOs

2,950 posted on 06/11/2011 11:39:53 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50; LeGrande
I am able to say that I believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior, as 100% God and 100% man

An athiest would honestly say he does not believe

An agnostic would say he doesn't know

But the RINO-type sneaks are those who do not say what they believe on a religion forum

2,951 posted on 06/11/2011 11:42:45 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
When a poster goes attacking everyone else for believing or not and then turns around and says Presently no screen name: "what someone thinks or does in her own private life is none of your business." -- that tells you a lot...
2,952 posted on 06/11/2011 11:44:15 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
here

Let's see -- I ask a poster Secondly, does this mean that you support the use of condoms, abortion etc. as birth control? just because the Church opposes it?

and the crypto-Moslem answers What 'the poster' thinks or does in her own private life is none of your business

To which it is logical to say So, then whatever anyone outside your cult of one believes or thinks or does is none of your business either, eh?

Crypto-Moslem: None of YOUR business. Read my post - don’t twist it for your own agenda. I’m not the one sticking my nose into someone’s private life -

Oh and yet here the little taqqiyah practioner continues, sticking his nose into everyone else's "private life" (I don't get how talking about one's faith is 'private' especially on a religion forum)

2,953 posted on 06/11/2011 11:46:03 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
And, you want proof -- here you go, what do you call someone who pretends to be Christian and pretends to be American, yet says things like Jesus Christ was persecuted and died - that is the only focus for a Christian

only a Moslem or another who denies Christ was God would forget that for a Christian, the fact that Jesus Christ died, ROSE FROM THE DEAD and ascended into Heaven is the focus. Not just a dead Christ

I realise that it is difficult for the non-Christians like no-no to acknowledge that, but it is the central mystery of our Christian faith which is not only that Christ DIED, but more importantly that HE TRIUMPHED OVER DEATH, He rose again from the dead, He IS/WAS/will always be GOD

Non-Christians cannot acknowledge this fact of Jesus's resurrection and that Jesus Christ is God.

2,954 posted on 06/11/2011 11:47:34 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; James C. Bennett
How about Buddhists or Hindis?

I'm sure it's an inadvertent slip, however, the meta-religion Sanatana Dharma is HindU while the Indo-European language is HindI

Both are derived from the Persian translation of Sindhu (for the Indus river) -- as the "S" sound in Sanskrit becomes "H" in Farsi

Incidently, Hindi is Prakrit mixed liberally with Persian, hence terms like darwaza which is Farsi

2,955 posted on 06/11/2011 11:53:51 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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2,956 posted on 06/11/2011 11:55:52 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: boatbums; James C. Bennett
bb: How about Buddhists or Hindis? Have any of them written books criticizing polytheistic religions like they have the monotheistic Christian faith?

Read up on Swami Dayananda Saraswati, Vinoba Bhave or Baba Amte -- I've not read amte, but the others are pretty critical of various aspects of hinduism

Besides, Hinduism, strictly speaking is not strictly polytheistic

hinduism being a meta-religion includes polytheism, monotheism (with the belief in Ishwara and many Shaivites believing that Shiva is the purest form of Ishwara, ditto for Vaishnavites), pantheism and athiesm -- it is a meta-religion like SGML

2,957 posted on 06/11/2011 11:57:43 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: boatbums; kosta50
bb: I have just never read a post from him that made me think he wasn't orthodox on Christian doctrines of Jesus Christ.

Really? Even when a poster says things like Jesus Christ was persecuted and died - that is the only focus for a Christian

only a Moslem or another who denies Christ was God would forget that for a Christian, the fact that Jesus Christ died, ROSE FROM THE DEAD and ascended into Heaven is the focus. Not just a dead Christ

That's not orthodox on Christian doctrines at all...

2,958 posted on 06/11/2011 11:59:32 PM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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To: Cronos

Sorry...that was sarcasm....note the sig.

My point was to highlight what I view as the silliness of all the squabbling over religious doctrine that sometimes goes on here. Really, no one is likely to have his mind changed about his religious beliefs because someone harangues him on the internet. It’s all pretty loopy in my humble opinion.

We’ve got a president and congress destroying our country, possibly for good, and many here choose to expend energy on protestant versus catholic, postmillenial versus premillenial, Mormon versus anti-mormon. It would all be a big yawn if it wasn’t distracting from the deadly serious matter of our country becoming a Third World Fabian Socialist dump.

Hank


2,959 posted on 06/12/2011 12:05:15 AM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Ping me to join my anti-Christadelphian list - The best arcane religious doctrinal squabbling on FR!)
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To: boatbums; James C. Bennett; kosta50
We NEVER hear of atheist/Muslim debates, do we?

I'm guessing you never read the Rubaiyat; even better - here's site for you http://www.persianatheist.com/ -- the name says it all. You can translate it using Chrome translator

Even on this thread we have an atheist quoting Hindu "scripture". I wonder how many times that religion has been disputed by them? -- Quite often -- didn't you know that the CPI and CPI (M) have ruled the Indian states of Kerala and West Bengal for decades? Here's another site for you with an evocative title http://indianatheists.com/

To look at things only through a western prism can be a mistake...

The "westernism" trend is not only in the west and neither is atheism only in the West. If you go as far back as the Panchtantras you see the threads of disbelieve in Indian philosophy. I don't know of any in Achaemenid Persia though.

2,960 posted on 06/12/2011 12:07:35 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie.)
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