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I guess I should have started at the beginning. This is a composite response to Fred's post #922 and Brown Deer's post #919 and ought to clarify our thinking on some of the things I addressed earlier.

In Fred's #922: thanks, it’s quite beyond me, I am going to ask David if he can follow this, would a student enrolling for extension courses also have to adhere to the deadline: “Autumn Quarter, 1961 Aug. 1 - Deadline for ALL new students to submit Applications”

And the University's schedule in Brown Deer's #919: From the University of Washington Catalogs 1961-1963: Autumn Quarter, 1961 Aug. 1 - Deadline for ALL new students to submit Applications for Admission with complete credentials. . . .

The problem is, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama did NOT attend either the Autumn or Winter Quarters. She was enrolled in Extension Courses until the Spring of 1962. Extension courses do not always follow the same schedule, therefore dates are shown on a transcript.

Two kinds of "registration"--one is to be accepted as a student; the other is to register as a student to be in a specific class.

Fred's specific question in #922 about whether a student enrolling for extension courses having to adhere to the deadline is really the issue of whether a student enrolling for extension courses need to have filed an enrollment application and thus have been required to file one on August 1, 1961 in Stanley Ann's case.

Answer to that is I don't know.

Recognize that the application for admission process is an extended paperwork exercise. You didn't just show up with a check and tell them you wanted in. They got your graduation data from your high school directly in certified form--together with a certified form of all the classes you took in high school and the grades you got. If you had been to some other college in the period, they got certified data from that institution also.

Point is that the process almost is required to be done by mail. And it would have had, as a matter of necessity to have been initiated more than a couple of weeks before August 1--matter of fact, most students would have done it several months ahead because they wouldn't know if they were going to be accepted.

On the other hand, they did make exceptions to do it at the last minute but they still wanted the certified stuff from the prior institutions which would have had to be done by mail or messenger with receipts. She might have started the process by mail or had her mother do it before August 1.

They got a "Birth Certificate". They gave you a student card which as I recall, at some point, got your picture on it.

I do know that they ran the two (extension and regular day school) as separate colleges. But on the other hand, I knew lots of people who were registered and attending as regular day school students who then took a night school class the next quarter and then were back in day school the following quarter.

And I also know that the extension and Night School were a little looser then than they are now--I know people who decided to work one quarter after they were ready to start day school and were in night school the same week so maybe they had a system permitting people to switch back and forth. I also knew people who were in day school who were also taking a Night School class because they needed that particular class in that quarter and it was offered in Night School and not Day School.

The gossip quoted above was that she couldn't get in to day school because of her grades--so you can assume she applied and was rejected and that would presumably have happened before August 1, 1961; mechanically, how they would have then let her into Night School is not clear to me.

Given that not just one, but two different classes are entered with starting dates of August 19, and normal fall classes did NOT begin on September 19, Stanley Ann was quite obviously in Seattle on August 19, 1961 as documented by the University of Washington!

That is not correct. In fact, the Night School ran on the same schedule as the Day School. But the days you were there would depend on when the class was held. Five Hour classes in day school were usually held one hour each day; but sometimes, two hours on Tuesday and Thursday and one hour on Wednesday; or two and a half hours etc.

That happened more often in Night School. The five hours class might be held for two and a half or three hours twice a week.

But the term was the same; finals weeks were the same. Sometimes a class would be taught in both day school and night school and there would be only one final at the same time.

They did that so people could pick up required classes that were pre-requisites for some other class while they were going to regular school.

For example, in the Lynnwood Enterprise, Lynnwood, Washington, Wednesday, September 06, 1961 on page 6: "He is attending a two-week seesion of intensive graduate study sponsored by the American Savings & Loan Institue at the University of Washington from Sept. 3-16."

Graduate school is different. There were formal grad school classes that were taught on the regular schedule; but there are also other grad credits you could get outside the schedule--the real key to a grad school degree was getting your thesis topic approved and written and turned in and the oral exam accomplished.

And the old Banker's Association classes were depicted as graduate study but you didn't get any University Credit for those. I don't know about the American S & L Institute.

BOTTOM LINE ON THIS TOPIC: I am going to enter a separate post next on my view of the real bottom line on the issue about the schedule in Seattle.