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To: jamese777
jamese777 said:

The Framers were wise enough to allow for future generations to alter their most basic and important ideas. They also left ending slavery and women’s suffrage for future generations to decide.

Very true. But instead of clarifying or changing the Natural Born Citizen definition, the current group in Washington is doing everything in their power to ignore the issue by belittling Constitutionally-minded citizens and imprisoning a soldier for simply demanding due process.

It is not that we can not change the laws, it is that our federal government refuses to accept there is a problem that has been lingering since the early 1800's and needs clarified. Once it is clarified, We the People and the federal government can amend it if necessary. This is clearly failing to occur so the process put in place by the framing fathers can not be completed properly.
146 posted on 03/03/2011 3:49:27 PM PST by devattel
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To: devattel

Very true. But instead of clarifying or changing the Natural Born Citizen definition, the current group in Washington is doing everything in their power to ignore the issue by belittling Constitutionally-minded citizens and imprisoning a soldier for simply demanding due process.

It is not that we can not change the laws, it is that our federal government refuses to accept there is a problem that has been lingering since the early 1800’s and needs clarified. Once it is clarified, We the People and the federal government can amend it if necessary. This is clearly failing to occur so the process put in place by the framing fathers can not be completed properly.


That’s one way to look at the issue.

Another way is that since the 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868, there have only been two classifications of Americans: born citizens and naturalized citizens and if a person is a Citizen of the United States at Birth as spelled out in the US Code, then they are a natural born citizen as well and if a person is a citizen but not a Citizen of the United States at Birth, then they are a naturalized citizen and therefore cannot qualify as a natural born citizen.

Under this second way to look at the issue, there is no problem, there is no confusion, the issue is settled law.

“The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,’ contemplates two sources of citizenship, AND ONLY TWO: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established BY THE MERE FACT OF BIRTH under circumstances described in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes AT ONCE a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization. A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of Congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens, or by enabling foreigners individually to become citizens by proceedings in the judicial tribunals, as in the ordinary provisions of the naturalization acts.”–Supreme Court of the United States, US v Wong Kim Ark (1898)


153 posted on 03/03/2011 5:28:41 PM PST by jamese777
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