Libya & Kenya: Mama Sarah Obama visit to Gadhafi Palace in Tripoli has caused jittery in the family

Looks like Obama has two Sarahs in his life that are a pain in his rear.

Almost as good as Hollywood!

“She also said ‘NONE OF YOU ARE HIS CHILDREN’ to the offspring of Kezia...and in ‘Dreams’ that’s explained away by describing her as ‘jealous’ - because Mark was the only one with proof of ID so it was Mark who inherited.”

...as recounted by bill Ayers, constructing Obama’s life narrative and “remembered” conversations from whole cloth to protect Obama? That is what Dreams appears to me to be. I find Jack Cashill's take persuasive and don't believe most of what is in Dreams, absent independent documentation.

The account reported by the reporter of Obama Sr. being “seven years” out of Kenya at the time is not corroborated as far as I can see. All other evidence, except that one story, points to Obama Sr. arriving in HI from Kenya in 1959 after having two children with his tribal wife, Kezia, IIRC.

‘This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands,’ added the grandmother.”

If any of this is true, remember Grandma is a Muslim. The Koran is about Jihad. Recall the saintly Palestinian mother who gave her four sons up to bombing buses, McDonald's, and weddings in Israel, and only wishes she had more sons to give Allah. More likely, this is just another distraction from the simple truth which the combination of ignorance and ridicule has rendered anathema. From Congressional Archives, The Globe, of 1866, by the principal author of the amendment which made slaves into citizens, and their children eligible to be president, Congressman John Bingham from Ohio:

I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen….

This man who is overseeing the destruction of our republic is not a constitutional president because he was born of at least one parent owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty, Barry is a natural born subject of the British Commonwealth, by his own declaration. That is not, by any stretch, sole allegiance to our nation. Barry is ignoring our courts, our legislators, and our citizens - most citizens not in the SEIU. That is exactly the subject of the first four Federalist Papers, written by John Jay, whose letter to Washington asking that we require natural born citizenship of our president in the Constitution, was written at the time he was writing the Federalist essays warning of the danger of usurpers.

Barry is depending upon “Change”, from rejection of our Constitution to the coupling of our branches of government which has clearly occurred. We are now significantly less able to help ourselves economically, to defend our borders, and close to impotent in the world outside, since our armies will not have the fuel for tanks, airplanes, steamships, not to mention our factories, to produce anything efficiently, and dependent upon our enemies for that fuel of which we could be the world's largest supplier - oil, gas, nuclear, coal.

The planning is decades old. Anyone who knew of the then inconsequential Marxist, John Holdren, hired to indoctrinate energy activists at U.C. in the 70s, who brought in Amory Lovins, the fraud at Natural Resources Defense Council, as “University Scientist”, when Amory was never a scientist, whose bachelor's degree is suspect, should have seen this coming. Holdren was instrumental in selling the shutdown of a brand new nuclear power plant in California, Rancho Seco, which had a future of fifty or more years of safe and clean electricity aborted by Marxists and citizens kept ignorant by the compliant media.

The left nurtured these people, the Holdrens, Ehrlichs, Lovins, Caldicott, Rachel Carson, as they did Barry, nurturing and preparing for the revolution. None of them produced anthing except hardship and, in some cases, like Carson, death. For that they got MacArthur Genius prizes and Thersa Heinz (Kerry) chairs at Harvard, and Harvard got its Alwaleed bin-Talaal Islamic Studies Center. These people, as David Horowitz knows from personal experience, are our “Red Diaper Doper Babies.” They are our useful idiots.

If you have a grasp of the engineering, which few do, the nonsense propagated for so many years would be clear. But that nonsense has enabled the far left to undermine our productive capabilities. Barry is just part of the larger plan. However, he is not an eligible president, and, while there seem to be so many other important issues, many would prefer to call it “water under the bridge. Our framer and founders wrote the Constitution for a reason. The law should obviate the need for violence. The Constitution is the body of rules (not definitions, which most all come from our common language and common law) which enforce a civil society. Those rules have clearly been weakened, but they remain to be used, and, while our politicized military judges of been corrupted, another officer with more of a following than Dr. Lakin may also choose to honor his or her oath, and force the Supreme Court to act as they must if they are to have relevance in the future.”

We can hope one or more public authorities who don't want their children and grandchildren to suffer the plan Obama’s backers have for them will face the intimidating mainstream media. Previously, they all had too much to lose. Nathan Deal, Georgia Congressman, was one of a few with the courage to challenge, though every congressman knows. He was quickly disposed of by phony ethics charges, and became Governor of Georgia. Some states have initiated plans to demand eligibility of federal candidates, but, as we saw in Arizona, can be corrupted even while citizens are demanding clarity (Arizona's eligibility law, as written, would amend the Constitution, allowing a child of one citizen parent to be called a "natural born Citizen;" The corruption has infected a remarkable number of legislators and Governors - Sad becaue Jan Brewer seemed honest!". And who do we know who might run in 2012, and who was born of only one citizen parent?)

Stories about Grandma distract from the truth extracted from the natural law well understood by our founders and framers, and may have been planted for that purpose. Our nation is a nation of immigrants, both strong because of that and vulnerable. Our framers designated the class of “Citizen by nature” for our president, vice president, and required that class for no other leadership position. Even England required that members of Parliament be “natural born subjects of the Crown.” Remember, “subjects” owe their rights to the crown; citizens are independent sovereigns, and participate to protect their freedoms.

We are quickly reaching the point that restoring our Constitution peacefully may not be possible. But we will restore it, and it will be all the more important to learn about our foundations. The future in government of legislators who have been too intimidated to protect our Constitution is doubtful, but there will be opportunities for a whole new class who believe in the Constitution.

...as recounted by bill Ayers, constructing Obama’s life narrative and “remembered” conversations from whole cloth to protect Obama?

NO. Included in the narrative as a cover for the TRUTH in case someone else comes along and spills the beans.

The account reported by the reporter of Obama Sr. being “seven years” out of Kenya at the time is not corroborated as far as I can see. All other evidence, except that one story, points to Obama Sr. arriving in HI from Kenya in 1959 after having two children with his tribal wife, Kezia, IIRC.

WHAT 'ALL OTHER EVIDENCE'?

Here, in the second last paragraph, the son of a kenyan goat herder HAS BEEN AWAY FROM KENYA FOR SEVEN YEARS , at an interview in June 1962...

And Kezia makes a major blunder, she says her eldest was six years of age when the son of a kenyan goat-herder left Kenya:

"I remember escorting him to the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Nairobi, then known as Embakasi airport," she says. "He asked me to take care of our then only child, Malik Abongo, who was six years old. I was pregnant with our second - Rita Auma."

Which is downright IMPOSSIBLE if he left Kenya in 1955, that child would have been born in 1949, THREE YEARS before the son of a kenyan goat-herder LEFT SCHOOL!

You can't see the forest for the lies.

Well said.

“Here, in the second last paragraph, the son of a kenyan goat herder HAS BEEN AWAY FROM KENYA FOR SEVEN YEARS , at an interview in June 1962...”

This was written by the reporter as an aside and is not even a quote.

“I remember escorting him to the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Nairobi, then known as Embakasi airport,” she says. “He asked me to take care of our then only child, Malik Abongo, who was six years old. I was pregnant with our second - Rita Auma.”

Either Kezia or the reporter is having a brain fart because Malik was born in 1958 and Rita was born in 1960.

Kezia was born in 1940, BTW, per wiki (for what its worth).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Obama#Malik_Obama

Obama Sr was supposedly born in 1936, so if he left Kenya seven years before 1962, as the reporter stated, that would be 1955 when he would have been 19 years old.

Where do you think BHO Sr. went outside Kenya in 1955 at age 19 before he turned up in HI and shows up taking courses per the U of HI transcript in 1959?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts?page=763#763

I think I get the picture now; the son of a kenyan goat-herder left the school at Maseno in 1953, married in 1954, and as he said at the interview in Hawaii in 1962, he hadn’t been back to Kenya for seven years, he must have left Kenya in 1955.

Right?

Not quite. His eldest child Malik was six years of age when he left Kenya, remember? How does that work?

I’ll try again.

The son of a kenyan goat-herder had a six year old son when he left Kenya in 1959, so he must have married when he was 17, and was working in Nairobi for an arab as a clerk...we all remember that, don’t we? And he was a friend of Mboya - wonder how they met? - but never mind, Kezia was pregnant when he left Kenya to go to Hawaii...and had a two year-old.

Hold it!

Didn’t the family in Kenya state at an interview that their son of a kenyan goat-herder relative went to the US, worked for an oil company and married a white woman named Anna Toot?

Yes, they did.

So we’ll have another go. The son of a kenya goat-herder - if we take him at his word, left Kenya seven years before he left Hawaii, and that makes it 1955, right? Ah! Beginning to see the light now...that’s why Kezia was confused, she must have married the son of the kenyan goat-herder in 1953, because at another interview she said her eldest was TWO years old when he left...

Getting closer?

In 2008 Kezia said her oldest son Malik was 50. But if the son of a kenyan goat-herder left Kenya in 1955 like he said at the Hawaii interview, Malik would have to be at least 55 if he was two years old when...

I’ve mucked up again, evidently.

It’s all too hard. Let someone else work it all out. What I can’t figure out is how could Mboya and the son of a kenya goat-herder be such good friends? If he left Kenya in 1955, he would have been around 19 years of age and Mboya who was five years older, was in England, studying at Oxford.

At least one thing seems clear. The son of a kenyan goat-herder was never part of the first airlift of students which landed at Idlewild three months before he showed up in Hawaii. And when he was first interveiwed in Hawaii in June 1959, he told the reporter he only had enough money for three semesters and needed to find work to support himself.

Just got lucky, I guess.

763 posted on Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:39:23 PM by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)

“Stories about Grandma distract from the truth extracted from the natural law well understood by our founders and framers, and may have been planted for that purpose.”

Wrong.

There are two separate NBC issues, birth location (soil) and citizenship of parents (blood). Stories about one issue do not diminish the importance of the other.

If Mama Sarah knows, blabs and can prove that Obama II was born in Kenya, game over on the NBC issue based on soil.

Obama shows us every day that the birth location issue is the issue he fears, not his UK subject father.

Methinks he spent five years on the mainland, married a woman named Anna Toot and worked for an oil company, just like the relatives in Kenya said he did.

Now don’t bother telling me about Stanley Ann Dunham being Anna and Madelyn being Toot. They did THAT already in ‘Dreams’.

“Methinks he spent five years on the mainland, married a woman named Anna Toot and worked for an oil company, just like the relatives in Kenya said he did.”

So per your scenario at age 19 in 1955 he leaves Kenya for the mainland USA, marries, works for an “oil company” for five years and then shows up in HI in 1960?

A US oil company hiring a 19 year old Kenyan in 1955 would be a bit far fetched to me, but this whole thing is way past bizarre!

Given my experience with reporters screwing up dates and ages as well as the memory of aging folks getting confused, I think I’ll go with him leaving Kenya in 1959 for HI.

If you have more on Anna Toot, the oil company or where and how he might have come to the mainland in 1955 and then gotten to HI I would love to consider it, of course.

The Bamster felt good with Mallomar behind him!

A US oil company hiring a 19 year old Kenyan in 1955 would be a bit far fetched to me, but this whole thing is way past bizarre!

Not at all...he worked for an oil company on his return to Kenya:

Mboya DID NOT give the son of a kenyan goat-herder a job; when he returned to Kenya HE WORKED FOR AN OIL COMPANY.

The 75-year-old adds he knew Obama Sr when he worked for BP/Shell in Nairobi.

“One of his friends was President Kibaki. One day when I was walking with him in Nairobi, Kibaki, then the Minister for Finance stopped his car next to us and offered him a lift,” says Tolo.

He adds: “The President rode with him to his office and I am told that was the day he got a job in the Treasury as an economist.”

source

Kibaki was previously Vice President of Kenya for ten years from 1978–1988 and also held cabinet ministerial positions, including a widely acclaimed stint as Minister for Finance (1969–1981), Minister for Home Affairs (1982–1988) and Minister for Health (1988–1991).[1]

There are other sources that place his employment with the government of Kenya commencing 1970. In any event, it could NOT have been before Kibaki became Minister for Finance in 1969.

WIKI:

Thomas Joseph Odhiambo Mboya (August 15, 1930 - July 5, 1969) was a prominent Kenyan politician during Jomo Kenyatta’s government. He was founder of the Nairobi People’s Congress Party, a key figure in the formation of the Kenya African National Union (KANU), and the Minister of Economic Planning and Development at the time of his death.

Mboya was assassinated on July 5, 1969 in Nairobi.

According to the family, Obama’s father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959. While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot, and their union produced Barack Obama Jr.

Obama’s book says Obama Snr left his family in Hawaii after winning a scholarship to study in Harvard when his son was two years old.

The marriage later broke up after Anna’s father opposed it, according to Mama Sarah.

“Anna’s father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage,” remembers Sarah.

NOW TRY THIS: change the year to fit with what the teacher said and what the son of a kenyan goat-herder said at the interview in Hawaii in June 1962, and what have you?

forgot the link:

http://allafrica.com/stories/200408160533.html

There are two separate NBC issues, birth location (soil) and citizenship of parents (blood). Stories about one issue do not diminish the importance of the other.

I don't disagree with you seizethecarp (great name), and find the queries about Obama/Soetoro/Dunham’s past intriguing too. But the chances that any of these stories is verifiable are extremely small. When few of us don't understand the requirement that our president be born of citizen parents, and no one doesn't know that Barak Sr. was never a citizen, that seems the brick we must remove.

The only way, since our judiciary and legislature have been co-opted, is through the people, the way the House was returned to people whose ties to lobbyists have not yet corrupted them. Too many justifiably frightened people cling to a vain hope hope that some adventurer will uncover proof of where where Obama was born, and to whom. If our intelligence agencies, state department, all legislators, judges and justices, and military, are complicit, and they demonstrably are, there is next to no chance of finding that needle. There may be no needle. So few people have ever attested to having known the man, and what presumably remained of his immediate family which conveniently expired just before the election, focusing on the dry stuff. the facts, seems the path most likely to bear fruit.

Add the legislature and Governor of Arizona to the list of those covering up the truth, and the problem is probably deeper than I can imagine. What were they told, with what were they threatened, that caused them to try to amend the Constitution, and risk angering their constituents? Arizona lawmakers like Obama, must know that the rules are about to change. Assume they are normal; their self interest guides them to fear government more than their constituents. They followed McCain's many law suits for almost a decade, and knew that whatever resolution of his eligibility was claimed was based upon his two citizen parents. Their eligibility statute, claiming that having but a single citizen parent is the Constitutional definition required for presidential eligibility, is such obvious fraud, such a blatent effort to give Obama more time to destroy what remains of our economy and thus our military, that Arizona voters should consider impeachment - if they still care about a consitutional republic?

There may already be tacit agreement that our government is for show; judges and legislators may be going through the motions until the time comes to announce a new kind of government, perhaps an alliance, but perhaps one like China, which makes no effort to lie about its ends or means. Will they wait until there are food lines, a crippling attack, unionized police taking over our cities?

The eligibility verification statute, had it been truthful about our Constitution, might have hindered Obama's victory in the 2012 elections. So Arizona lawmakers wrote a fraudulent statute, presumably hoping that citizens would not be bright enough to notice before it was too late.

If enough learn about our Constitution, we stand a chance of finding out who really is controlling this land, its army, judiciary, and with whom they are allied. Now, no one will talk honestly, even Arizona, supposedly being challenged by Obama over his failure to protect our Southern border.

Discussing rumors is fun, and would be fine, if my children's future and lives were not at great risk. We have a whole nation of citizens being denied the answer to who it is that is ruling them by people whose salaries we pay. This is not a republic. What is it - really?

Here is one of many possible scenarios for what Obama is really about: Obama's cousin, Odinga, for whom he campaigned and raised money while he was a freshman senator, was educated by the KGB. Obama's associates for most of his life identify with, some were probably supported by, the former Soviet Union, as was San Fran labor leader Harry Bridges, Nancy Pelosi's most influential political figure. What party could easily become an extension of the Politburo? Soros has always worked closely with the Russians and other Eastern Block countries. The Russians have their own problems with Islam. They could be seen, by some, as natural allies, since both geographies have large, and somewhat complimentary, stores of natural resources. Possibility? We need to learn the truth.

“The President must not only be a citizen but a natural born Citizen”. Sugarman v. Dougall, - Supreme Court 1973

The first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment:

“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Wong Kim Ark was affirmed a citizen.

The answer is not in the 14th Amendment or WKA.

Lets take this another step..the 11th, 14th, 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th Amendments pertain only to citizens.

A natural born Citizen is not in the above amendments..so where does it originate.

It has been my contention for several months natural born Citizens are the descendants of the original citizens created after the ratification of the Constitution.

The Founders established a Kind.

It has to be determined if the 14th amendment broke the Kind.

Yes the Founders were clever..when they used natural born Citizen.