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Is Science Fiction Getting More Conservative?
Pajamas Media ^ | January 25, 2011 | Patrick Richardson

Posted on 01/25/2011 9:58:28 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: JDW11235
Not that they necessarilly were overtly liberal, but collectivism and such were almost always promoted and individualism unimportant. To say the least.

Any group of profession writers will have a preponderance of leftists. That's the way it is.

But an awful lot of libertarians are or were SF nerds, so there's definitely something else going on in the genre. Any group that took -- and takes -- Robert Heinlein so much to heart, isn't uniformly liberal.

Science fiction is one place where individualistic ideas of doing without government and bureaucracy have taken root. That may not be conservative, but it certainly is libertarian.

But I wouldn't say that the SF world is getting more conservative. It's more that older liberal and radical ideas got stale. Fans will get bored with conservative or libertarian tendencies in time and look for something else.

That's probably why some writers latched on to global warming or climate change theories; not so much ideological commitment, as something new to write about.

81 posted on 01/25/2011 1:25:20 PM PST by x
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To: lovecraft

You need to reread the post.
He is not a freeper


82 posted on 01/25/2011 1:46:25 PM PST by winodog
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To: winodog

Are you sure, I just checked his home page and it sure looks like he is a freeper.


83 posted on 01/25/2011 1:59:49 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: lovecraft

I’ve read Starship Troopers; enjoyed it immensely.


84 posted on 01/25/2011 2:10:05 PM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin

As noted by a few others, Baen Books tend towards the Conservative/Libertarian philosophy. If anyone wants to sample some of their stuff, I highly recommend http://baen.com/library/ , which is a free library of many of the books.


85 posted on 01/25/2011 2:14:01 PM PST by tarawa
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To: Kaslin
I guess one could safely say that no one forced you to read or respond to my post.

My interest was aroused by the title of the posted article. I read it and noticed the blogger's credentials and the quality of the site. I was glad for the opportunity to post my opinion.

Sorry you didn't like my post.

86 posted on 01/25/2011 2:41:10 PM PST by delacoert
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To: winodog
You mean this one?

That's because EE Knight is a FReeper. Or at least he was a couple of years ago.

If he is, was, or never was a freeper, it's still a good series of books.

87 posted on 01/25/2011 3:10:10 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: dangerdoc

Dang, I hate when I do that


88 posted on 01/25/2011 3:19:16 PM PST by winodog
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To: lovecraft

I read things wrong, sorry bout that


89 posted on 01/25/2011 3:21:30 PM PST by winodog
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To: winodog
No worries, as penance you now need to go start the Vampire Earth series!:) It really is a good set if you like sci/fi.

I mean I know the Twilight movies practically ruined Vampires for a generation, but this is quite different take. And well worth it. Have a good one!

90 posted on 01/25/2011 3:35:01 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: lovecraft; winodog

Yeah, this ain’t your Sister’s puppy dog eyed vampire.


91 posted on 01/25/2011 4:24:49 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers
Might have to seek out some Pournelle solo work...
I highly recommend "High Justice" (if you can find a copy), and "King David's Spaceship".
92 posted on 01/25/2011 5:15:55 PM PST by Johnny B.
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93 posted on 01/25/2011 5:22:57 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: SeeSharp
That was one of the first novels I read after branching out from Asimov short stories and Heinlein juvies. I was eleven or so. By the time they really started emphasizing global warming I was suitably innoculated. Come to think of it, I better re-read it and see if it'll be suitable for my kids, my mom not having been particularly supervisory of my literary tastes LOL
94 posted on 01/25/2011 5:35:39 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: lovecraft
Knight is/was a Freeper? Wow! That totally made my day, I've got all of the Vampire Earth Series and his Dragon books. I had no clue.
Pretty awesome!

Oh yeah, it's way neat. I always do my best to add to the bottom line. :-)

And of course I read voraciously, so it helps. :-)

95 posted on 01/25/2011 5:45:09 PM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: Johnny B.; ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I’ve been reading Pournelle for more than 30 years. He’s very much an old-school conservative. He is about the only person who was against going into Iraq from the beginning who I respect, and his alternative program made a lot of sense.

He still writes what was arguably the first blog on the Internet, though he didn’t call it that (he hates the word), and I still know of none better.

Highly recommended reading. It’s a great current events overview. There are two pages you need to hit, the Current View, and the Mail from his readers.

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/currentview.html

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/mail/currentmail.html


96 posted on 01/26/2011 5:30:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Johnny B.; ZirconEncrustedTweezers

By the way, I am a Platinum subscriber to Pournelle, and I’m a monthly contributor here. These are the only two sites I regularly contribute to directly. That ought to tell you something about the high regard in which I hold his site. Like FR, it is not a pretty site, but it is quality information (and even wisdom) dense.


97 posted on 01/26/2011 5:32:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: tarawa

love to know how many of the Bar-Flies are Freepers and the screen.


98 posted on 01/26/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Kaslin

Personally, I think the writer is just going to the “right” place – Baen Books. There is plenty of lefty, eco-catastrophic SF out on the market, you just won’t find any of it published by Baen (THANK YOU, Terri Weisskopf!).


99 posted on 01/26/2011 2:19:54 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Gothmog

A long time ago, at Dragon Con IIRC, Robert Adams told a us a tale at a panel:

Being badly hung-over from the previous night of drinking, he came into a morning panel and said something to the effect of “Isn’t it pity that we spend more effort improving breeds of cattle than we do improving the human race.”

The fans took over from there and he took a nap.


100 posted on 01/26/2011 2:34:49 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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