Obama Can’t Prove He’s American

drkates view ^ | December 28, 2010 | drkate

[Darksheare]

Name another president who had a foreigner for a father.

[TNTNT]

You posted that an individual born with dual citizenship or dual loyalties cannot be NBC. All Jewish people born in the US are Isreali and US citizens at time of their birth. Thus my question, can a Jewish person be a NBC and elected President? The US has historically have not had any other country's laws be determinative of an individual’s citizenship status here in the USA. We fought a war (the war of 1812) over this very principle. I doubt if your or your birther buddies are going to get SCOTUS or the US Congress to change over 200 years of legal precedence.

[TNTNT]

Well off the top of my head, Chester Arthur’s father was an Irish citizen, Wilson’s mother was a British citizen, and Spiro Agnew’s father was a Greek citizen. There may be more but I don’t have time to research it tonight. Why don’t you look it up.

[Waco]

This is the most clear cut case of treason in our history, yet the SCOTUS
and various Judges won’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. With repeal of DADT watch what happens when the 2011 high school class graduates and the 2007 class ends their 1st hitch. Mass exitous and refuseal to enlist the 1st time? How many will just quit and walk away, tying up military Police and courts big time.

[DJ MacWoW]

All Jewish people born in the US are Isreali and US citizens at time of their birth.

That would certainly come as surprise to Dave! Anyway that only applies to the FIRST generation born outside of Israel and ONE parent has to be a citizen of Israel AND a practicing Jew. Your strawman argument falls flat.

I doubt if your or your birther buddies are going to get SCOTUS or the US Congress to change over 200 years of legal precedence.

Wrong again retread.

2003 Supreme Court: For 200 years domestic law of the US recognizes the Law of Nations(Vattel)

You aren't worth the info you're being given. See ya zotbait.

[TNTNT]

You have shown once again you do not know what you are talking about. Under Israeli law, all Jews born anywhere in the world are Israeli citizens and it does NOT only apply to the first generation born outside Israel nor is there a requirement that one parent be an Isreali citizen and be a practicing Jew. Do remember a couple of years ago the Israeli government airlifted a few thousand ‘lost ‘ jews from Ethiopia to Israel because they were Israeli citizens. Heck their ancestor's hadn't been in Israel for over two thousand years.

I see you are still getting your legal advice from the birther lawyer clown posse.

[cricket]

Thanks Texas Voter; but think it good, for us all to share these thoughts with Rep. Issa! ;^+

Meantime, just posted editorial "Illusions", by Valeria Novodvorskaya from Frontpagemagazine which speaks elequently to 'consequences'. Our Leadership needs to be reminded and I fear 'often' about other aspects of our history being scripted. (And then there is the 'Muslim thing' - i.e. 'radical' - of course and in a manner of speaking/sigh. . .)

All issues - and by count, too many - that beg/demand our attention. . .and a sharing.

[DJ MacWoW]

Wilson's mother became a citizen when she married his father. TWO citizen parents.

Agnew's father became a citizen and his mother was an American. TWO citizen parents.

As to Chester Arthur, an investigator, Hinman, tried to get evidence that Arthurs father became a citizen AFTER his birth in order to disqualify him. Arthurs father DID become a citizen.

So, when did Barrack Obama Senior become a citizen? Was he an immigrant? Again with apples and oranges.

[PhilDragoo]

[DJ MacWoW]

You have shown once again you do not know what you are talking about.

I checked the law before I posted it zotbait.

Under Israeli law, all Jews born anywhere in the world are Israeli citizens and it does NOT only apply to the first generation born outside Israel

You're wrong. I checked.

I see you are still getting your legal advice from the birther lawyer clown posse.

And you are a retread. Night zotbait.

[TNTNT]

In the SCOTUS case you cite, the use of the term ‘law of nations’ does not refer to the book by Vattel, but rather it is being used as a legal term of art which is analogous to the term ‘international law’. This is similar to where the term is used in the Constitution and it also refers to and has the same meaning as international law. I'm sure your birther lawyers can explain it further if you have any questions. lol

[ZULU]

Obama can no more prove his citizenship than someone can prove the world is flat.

He is a lying bastard and a fraud. A true Manchurian Candidate.

[TNTNT]

At the time of Wilson's birth, the British considered her a British citizen and it has never been disputed that Wilson was born with dual citizenship and if he wanted to, just like Obama, could have chosen British citizenship upon reaching majority. Wilson, like Obama, declined to to take that step.

Agnew's father did not become a US citizen until after Agnew's birth, much like Arthur. Why didn't anyone make this an issue in 1968? Probably it was not a violation of the law then, as it not today either, so no one cared.

Hinman’s research had to do with Arthur's birth place, not the citizenship of his parents. Arthur's father's citizenship papers were always on file and available for inspection then and today. No one back when Arthur was President cared about his father's citizenship, only about his place of birth. Geez, I wonder why? Maybe even a birther can understand that if you born in the USA, then you are a NBC.

[DJ MacWoW]

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/03pdf/03-339.pdf

Page 24.

“When the United States declared their independence, they were bound to receive the law of nations, in its mod-ern state of purity and refinement.” Ware v. Hylton, 3 Dall. 199, 281 (1796) (Wilson, J.). In the years of the early Re-public, this law of nations comprised two principal ele-ments, the first covering the general norms governing the behavior of national states with each other: “the science which teaches the rights subsisting between nations or states, and the obligations correspondent to those rights,” E. de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Preliminaries §3 (J. Chitty et al. transl. and ed. 1883) (hereinafter Vattel)

[TNTNT]

I suggest you read up on the Israeli law on the Right of Return. You may actually learn something.

[DJ MacWoW]

Give links and sources. I have. Otherwise retread you’re blowing smoke.

[DJ MacWoW]

I did read it and posted exactly what it said.

Give links and source if you think what I read was incorrect.

[Red Steel]

“TNTNT”

Could you check this new troll to see if he is a retread. Thanks.

[TNTNT]

Again, the SCOTUS is referring to international law. No one denies that Vattel’s book had to do with international law, hence it's title. Now just because SCOTUS cites this book in a case of first impression involving the international abduction of a drug dealer to the USA to stand trial is not unusual. That gives zero credence to the idea that SCOTUS will use Vattel’s book if they decide to take another case regarding NBC. Since it is well established and settled law that if you are born in the USA, then you are a NBC, it highly doubtful SCOTUS will grant cert in a birther case regarding this issue. SCOTUS rarely, if ever, accepts case when the legal precedent goes back over 100 years unless there are conflicting CCA opinions. There are none in this situation and doubtful there will be after over 80 cases.

[Fantasywriter]

Nachum and ZC, do either of you have the time or inclination to look at post 246? This newbie is discussing Israeli law, and I would like to know if he’s got it right. Thank you in advance.