Also, can someone explain why NO ONE (I know the MSM won't talk about the heroes -- but our guys??) is talking about this?
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To: VictoryGal
We talked about this days ago when it happened. Sheperd is scum. Should be on MSNBC.
This was basically a grandstanding fake bill. Others have more details than I.
2 posted on
12/18/2010 4:51:21 PM PST by
Christian Engineer Mass
(Leftys who zone in on Palin miss the point. America's not about single figures. That's for NK/Cuba.)
To: VictoryGal
And we're not going to even give them medicine for the illnesses they got down there? I don't know the details of this issue, but I do know hyperbole when I hear it. I suspect there's another side to this story.
3 posted on
12/18/2010 4:51:39 PM PST by
ElkGroveDan
(He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!)
To: VictoryGal
58,000 people have applied for free lifetime health care and cash payments.
4 posted on
12/18/2010 4:51:47 PM PST by
Carley
(ISRAEL.......NOT SO ALONE!!!)
To: VictoryGal
The expenditures need to be justified by cutting less important spending.
yitbos
5 posted on
12/18/2010 4:52:57 PM PST by
bruinbirdman
("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
To: VictoryGal
I don't know a lot about what is in the bill. However, I don't think it's really about health care to Ground Zero first responders. After all, these are unionized government workers that have great health care.
I think it's about another unfunded payout.
6 posted on
12/18/2010 4:54:49 PM PST by
kara37
To: VictoryGal
What else was in the bill or, what piece of undigestible crap legislation was this attached too?
7 posted on
12/18/2010 4:55:21 PM PST by
Old Flat Toad
(Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
To: VictoryGal
I just saw something about that on Fox awhile ago. Forget who they were talking to one of the republican Senators. He said it’s because it’s like all the other bills. No one has had time to go through it and look at it as it is written. He said they would take it up when the new congress came in.
8 posted on
12/18/2010 4:56:52 PM PST by
MsLady
(If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
To: VictoryGal
Is it constitutional for Federal money to go to employees of a city?
Yeah, we’re all for state and municipal sovereignty and rights, until it’s feedin’ time from the Federal pig trough.
9 posted on
12/18/2010 4:57:46 PM PST by
lurk
To: VictoryGal
Were they federal responders? If not, then the money shouldn’t come from the federal government. That is a city/state responsibility. Let the unions take the money they set aside for political purposes and put it to better use.
To: VictoryGal
Read elsewhere that this bill is supposed to cover 60000 people (not just first responders) - does anybody know how many first responders make up this list?
I think the Dims want to pass a “Socialized Care for NY Unions” using 911 first responders as an excuse.
11 posted on
12/18/2010 4:58:57 PM PST by
indcons
(Lurker mode off)
To: VictoryGal
Nobody begrudges legitimate first responders legitimate medical bills being paid. But this is Carte Blanche beyond sanity. Being New York,, it will be scammed 6 ways from sunday and exploited to the hilt. A “first responder” (definition: half of New York State) gets a skin cancer in 15 years later,,, it will be because of 9/11. They all get depression and medically retire. Heart attack,, 9/11. Shingles,,9/11. People are sick of NY milking this for all its worth IMO. This from the people that still haven’t rebuilt it a decade later.
Besides, there is another issue. New York state needs to pay their own workers comp claims. And they should sue the Saudis.
Wounded soldiers get nothing like the gold plated deal the first responders scam would give. Just my opinion. Ditto for the people like the widows of investment bankers,,etc. Some got millions because their husband died in WTC. If a Lance Corporal died in Afghanistan,, his family might get 50k and a funeral.
First reponders deserve not one iota more than a private in the infantry would get. But they would never see that as enough.
15 posted on
12/18/2010 5:02:09 PM PST by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
To: VictoryGal
Please, they all have health care. They all got paid and were lauded.
These are the same guys that worked three or four days straight and would not allow anyone else from other parts of the country to come and relieve them. All for the overtime and now they want more.
16 posted on
12/18/2010 5:04:15 PM PST by
raybbr
(Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
To: VictoryGal
This is NOT a First Responders bill....this bill is NOT for the Fireman or Police. It is basically a Union bill. The bill would give free healthcare for life for ANYONE who was near Ground Zero, no proof, no time frame, nothing. It is also a bill for those who were involved in the clean up months afterwards. This bill is so loose with who qualifies that it is a mockery to those who were first responders.
Look, my brother was a first responder, NYPD, he was there when the towers fell and for months and months afterwards. By the Grace of God he survived and has few physical medical problems. Some emotional, yes, although not enough to disable him....more to the point that the horror of that day and the months after are so very hard in his head to make anyone actually understand the depth of it.
To: VictoryGal
If Shep is crying, something good must be happening.
Shep’s such a loser. What wrong with you that you watch that flamer?
18 posted on
12/18/2010 5:07:09 PM PST by
ConservativeMind
("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
To: VictoryGal
I think the argument against is a slippery slope one.
Of course, there has never been anything like 9/11, but running into fire is what these people got/get paid for. It is their job.
If we start singling out people doing their jobs in difficult circumstances, where does it stop? Coasties rescuing hurricane victims getting special treatment? Cops in NOLA who didn’t take the opportunity to take 5 finger discounts from WalMart getting special consideration?
I am sorry if this seems cold, but deciding to be a cop or fireman (or any in many other types of safety-related professions) is acceptance of being in hazardous situations.
The word “hero” is already devaluated to the point of having no meaning at all. Let’s not devaluate those who have chosen safety-related professions as well.
19 posted on
12/18/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by
freedumb2003
(Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
To: VictoryGal
My volunteer firefighter friends back in my native Long Island -- solid conservatives all -- are furious. So am I.Did they go to ground zero?
20 posted on
12/18/2010 5:07:16 PM PST by
raybbr
(Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
To: VictoryGal
Most probably have insurance themselves. They did a great job and many lost their lives, what other crap has the democrats put into such a bill to bad mouth republicans...be skeptical of what you read..
To: VictoryGal
basically the issue revolves around the socalists (read democommies) insertion into the bill of a removal of a tax haven for overseas multinationals, which in the end you significantly increase the cost of large companies, making their products even more expensive in the USA, since we would have caused the price rise.
To: VictoryGal
Part of the legislation: Do you really think free health care for life should apply to someone who was at ground zero for four hours?
SEC. 3111. IDENTIFICATION OF ELIGIBLE WTC RESPONDERS AND PROVISION OF WTC-RELATED MONITORING SERVICES.
`(a) Eligible WTC Responder Defined-
`(1) IN GENERAL- For purposes of this title, the term `eligible WTC responder' means any of the following individuals, subject to paragraph (5):
`(A) CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED RESPONDER- An individual who has been identified as eligible for medical monitoring under the current consortium arrangements (as defined in section 3108(4)).
`(B) RESPONDER WHO MEETS CURRENT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- An individual who meets the current eligibility criteria described in paragraph (2).
`(C) RESPONDER WHO MEETS MODIFIED ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- An individual who--
`(i) performed rescue, recovery, demolition, debris cleanup, or other related services in the New York City disaster area in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, regardless of whether such services were performed by a State or Federal employee or member of the National Guard or otherwise; and
`(ii) meets such eligibility criteria relating to exposure to airborne toxins, other hazards, or adverse conditions resulting from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center as the WTC Program Administrator, after consultation with the WTC Responders Steering Committee and the WTC Scientific/Technical Advisory Committee, determines appropriate.
The WTC Program Administrator shall not modify such eligibility criteria on or after the date that the number of certifications for eligible responders has reached 80 percent of the limit described in paragraph (5) or on or after the date that the number of certifications for eligible community members has reached 80 percent of the limit described in section 3121(a)(5).
`(2) CURRENT ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA- The eligibility criteria described in this paragraph for an individual is that the individual is described in either of the following categories:
`(A) FIRE FIGHTERS AND RELATED PERSONNEL- The individual--
`(i) was a member of the Fire Department of the City of New York (whether fire or emergency personnel, active or retired) who participated at least one day in the rescue and recovery effort at any of the former World Trade Center sites (including Ground Zero, Staten Island Landfill, and the NYC Chief Medical Examiner's office) for any time during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002; or
`(ii)(I) is a surviving immediate family member of an individual who was a member of the Fire Department of the City of New York (whether fire or emergency personnel, active or retired) and was killed at the World Trade site on September 11, 2001; and
`(II) received any treatment for a WTC-related mental health condition described in section 3112(a)(1)(B) on or before September 1, 2008.
`(B) LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND WTC RESCUE, RECOVERY, AND CLEAN-UP WORKERS- The individual--
`(i) worked or volunteered on-site in rescue, recovery, debris-cleanup, or related support services in lower Manhattan (south of Canal Street), the Staten Island Landfill, or the barge loading piers, for--
`(I) at least 4 hours during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on September 14, 2001;
`(II) at least 24 hours during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on September 30, 2001; or
`(III) at least 80 hours during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002;
`(ii)(I) was a member of the Police Department of the City of New York (whether active or retired) or a member of the Port Authority Police of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (whether active or retired) who participated on-site in rescue, recovery, debris clean-up, or related support services in lower Manhattan (south of Canal Street), including Ground Zero, the Staten Island Landfill, or the barge loading piers, for at least 4 hours during the period beginning September 11, 2001, and ending on September 14, 2001;
`(II) participated on-site in rescue, recovery, debris clean-up, or related services at Ground Zero, the Staten Island Landfill or the barge loading piers, for at least one day during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002;
`(III) participated on-site in rescue, recovery, debris clean-up, or related services in lower Manhattan (south of Canal St.) for at least 24 hours during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on September 30, 2001; or
`(IV) participated on-site in rescue, recovery, debris clean-up, or related services in lower Manhattan (south of Canal St.) for at least 80 hours during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002;
`(iii) was an employee of the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of the City of New York involved in the examination and handling of human remains from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, or other morgue worker who performed similar post-September 11 functions for such Office staff, during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and ending on July 31, 2002;
`(iv) was a worker in the Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation tunnel for at least 24 hours during the period beginning on February 1, 2002, and ending on July 1, 2002; or
`(v) was a vehicle-maintenance worker who was exposed to debris from the former World Trade Center while retrieving, driving, cleaning, repairing, or maintaining vehicles contaminated by airborne toxins from the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center during a duration and period described in subparagraph (A).
26 posted on
12/18/2010 5:12:52 PM PST by
raybbr
(Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
To: VictoryGal
Rule #1 If the democrats bring it up, vote it down...
Rule #2 If the democrats don't want it vote it in..
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