was there not one single RADAR looking west to say if it was traveling at altitude or ascending??? NOT ONE??????
Posted on 11/14/2010 12:18:43 PM PST by roses of sharon
When KCBS aired the news helicopter footage of a mystery missile launch last Monday off the coast of southern California the ‘expert’ most quoted by the press, GlobalSecurities.org Director John Pike. It was Pike’s ‘optical illusion’ which got the most press. Another quote from Pike which got far less press, this statement from Pike during the 36 hour time period the DOD took to come up with the ‘most likely an aircraft’ explanation:
Pike said he didn’t understand why the military had not recognized the contrail of an aircraft. “The Air Force must … understand how contrails are formed,” he said. “Why they can’t get some major out to belabor the obvious, I don’t know.”
The military’s response, 36 hours after the event, an ‘illusion’?
Based on the news reports we’ve read related to the Pentagon and Chinese hackers, the questions of,
If Chinese hackers were responsible for the missile launch, would it have been construed by the DOD as an act of ‘cyberwar’ by China? A cyberwar act which occurred while the President of the United States was overseas in the Far East?
If Chinese hackers were responsible for a U.S. submarine ‘accidentally’ firing a missile, would the DOD admit it to the press, the American public, and, the Chinese government? Our military admitting Chinese military hackers had successfully hacked into the U.S. Dept. of Defense computer and fired one of our missiles?
If the missile was ‘accidentally’ fired by the U.S. military, could be there reasons the military doesn’t want the public to know?
In case you’re still debating whether the object videotaped off the coast of California last Monday was a missile or an aircraft the news a Three Star General, retired General Tom McInerney, is ‘absolutely certain that was not an aircraft’. The report from the Dept. of Defense the ‘missile’ was ‘most likely an aircraft’. ‘Most likely’, not a definitive answer from the DOD.
General McInerney, guest commentator on Sean Hannity’s FOX News show:
‘First of all I do not agree with the assertion, Sean, and your question is we should get a definitive answer, you’re absolutely correct. Look, this is not an airplane because of the plume and the way you see that plume, airplanes do not con (contrail) at sea level or at 5000 like that. I spent 35 years flying fighters and I have never seen an airplane con like that. That is a missile, it was launched from a submarine and you can see it go through a correction course and then it gets a very smooth trajectory, meaning that the guidance system is now kicked in, it’s going about 45 degrees away from you that why you’re not seeing a lot of vertical velocity.’
Sean Hannity: General, are you a 100% certain?
General McInerney: Sean, I’ve watched that film ten times, I’ve watched 15 other Trident films, SM-3′s, standard missile 3′s, and T-Lan launchers, I am absolutely certain that that is not a an aircraft.
While none of the Kings’ horses and men from the Dept. of Defense showed up to explain what the object was–the DOD sent out an email the object was ‘most likely an aircraft’–at least two of the King’s former horses and men showed up to claim the object was a missile, retired General McInerney and former Deputy of Defense Robert Ellsworth. An MIT professor of science, technology and international security, Theodore Postel, sent an email to the press stating the DOD hadn’t come up with a ‘plausible explanation’ and ‘convincing analysis’ of the ‘observed event’.
But Theodore Postol, a professor of science, technology and international security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is not yet convinced. The Pentagon, he wrote in an e-mail, has provided no detailed information to support the aircraft claim. “One of their jobs is to provide air surveillance for the country, and they should be able to provide a convincing analysis supported by data for their conclusion,” said Postol, who furnished photographs of the mystery contrail along with remarkably similar pictures of solid-propellant missile launches. “I do not know what to think at this point,” he said, “but one thing is for sure, the Pentagon has not provided a plausible explanation of the observed event.”
In case you haven’t heard, three weeks ago the report from the Wall Street Journal the Air Force ‘lost communication’ for 45 minutes with 50 nuclear missiles. The March 2008 report from the LA Times, Chinese hacking worries Pentagon, NPR’s 2005 report, Pentagon Faces Computer Security Problems, the April 2009, Wall Street Journal report, Computer Spies Breach Fighter-Jet Project, and, the September 2007, Times Online report, China’s cyber army is preparing to march on America, says Pentagon.
Five years ago NPR reported Chinese hackers had made ’80,000 attempts’ to hack the Pentagon’s 5 million computers.
NPR:
Mr. ALLEN PALLER (SANS Institute): In one evening, at about 10:23 at night Pacific time, they found vulnerabilities in the US Army Information Systems Engineering Command at Ft. Huachuca, Arizona. Three hours later, they found the same hole in computers at the Defense Information Systems Agency in Arlington. A little more than two hours later, they hit the Naval Ocean Systems Center(ph), a Defense Department installation in San Diego. And an hour and a half later, they hit the United States Army Space & Strategic Defense installation in Huntsville.
O’HARA: Cyberanalysts who followed the investigation of Tighten Reign say that among the massive amounts of data that the hackers penetrated were detailed specifications on the Mars lander as well as information about satellite and missile technology and about US troop deployments. One of the original investigators of Tighten Reign, who asked not to be identified to preserve his job, confirms that account. Allen Paller of the SANS Institute says the damage was serious.
September 8, 2007, The Times Online:
Chinese military hackers have prepared a detailed plan to disable America’s aircraft battle carrier fleet with a devastating cyber attack, according to a Pentagon report obtained by The Times.
The blueprint for such an assault, drawn up by two hackers working for the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), is part of an aggressive push by Beijing to achieve “electronic dominance” over each of its global rivals by 2050, particularly the US, Britain, Russia and South Korea.
China’s ambitions extend to crippling an enemy’s financial, military and communications capabilities early in a conflict, according to military documents and generals’ speeches that are being analysed by US intelligence officials. Describing what is in effect a new arms race, a Pentagon assessment states that China’s military regards offensive computer operations as “critical to seize the initiative” in the first stage of a war.
March 4, 2008, LA Times, Chinese hacking worries Pentagon:
WASHINGTON — China in the last year has developed ways to infiltrate and manipulate computer networks around the world in what U.S. defense officials conclude is a new and potentially dangerous military capability, according to a Pentagon report issued Monday.
Computer network intrusions at the Pentagon and other U.S. agencies, think tanks and government contractors last year “appeared to originate” in China, according to the report.
April 2009, Wall Street Journal, Computer Spies Breach Fighter-Jet Project:
WASHINGTON — Computer spies have broken into the Pentagon’s $300 billion Joint Strike Fighter project — the Defense Department’s costliest weapons program ever — according to current and former government officials familiar with the attacks.
Similar incidents have also breached the Air Force’s air-traffic-control system in recent months, these people say. In the case of the fighter-jet program, the intruders were able to copy and siphon off several terabytes of data related to design and electronics systems, officials say, potentially making it easier to defend against the craft.
The next report, an incident which occurred three weeks ago, the ’45 minutes’ nuclear warheads, 50 Minutemen III Intercontinental ballistic missiles , ‘went offline’.
The Atlantic:
On Saturday morning, according to people briefed on what happened, a squadron of ICBMs suddenly dropped down into what’s known as “LF Down” status, meaning that the missileers in their bunkers could no longer communicate with the missiles themselves. LF Down status also means that various security protocols built into the missile delivery system, like intrusion alarms and warhead separation alarms, were offline. In LF Down status, the missiles are still technically launch-able, but they can only be controlled by an airborne command and control platform like the Boeing E-6 NAOC “Kneecap” aircraft, E-4B NAOC aircraft or perhaps the TACAMO fleet, which is primarily used to communicate with nuclear submarines. Had the country been placed on a higher state of nuclear alert, those platforms would be operating automatically because the frequencies used to transmit nuclear codes would be interfacing with separate systems, according to officials.
On October 27th, the report of ‘No Foul Play’.
The Indy Channel:
CHEYENNE, Wyo. — Work has begun to try to replicate an electronics glitch and determine what disrupted communication between 50 nuclear missiles and a launch control center at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, a U.S. Air Force official said Wednesday.
Teams from F.E. Warren and Hill Air Force Base in Utah think they’ve isolated the faulty part where the problem occurred, said Lt. Col. John Thomas, spokesman for the U.S. Air Force Global Strike Command.
“It could be the part, it could be the way that it was installed, it could be the way that it was queried,” Thomas said.
And,
The suspected problem part is small enough to hold in your hand, Thomas said.
“That’s where our primary weight of effort is. But we are also not ruling anything out and we are looking at anything that may have contributed to it,” he said.
One wonders if part of the investigation involved ruling out Chinese hackers?
California Missile Launch, Act of Chinese Cyberwar or DOD Accident?
September 6, 3007, Washington Post, In Error, B-52 Flew Over U.S. With Nuclear-Armed Missiles:
An Air Force B-52 bomber flew across the central United States last week with six cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads that were mistakenly attached to the airplane’s wing, defense officials said yesterday.
The Stratofortress bomber, based at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, was transporting a dozen Advanced Cruise Missiles to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana on Aug. 30. But crews inadvertently loaded half of them with nuclear warheads attached.
Air Force officials said the warheads were not activated and at no time posed a threat to the public. But a timeline of the episode supplied by the Air Force yesterday to House and Senate lawmakers indicated that the missiles in question sat on a runway in Louisiana for nearly 10 hours before workers noticed that the nuclear warheads were inside.
The incident occurred August 30, 2007. The press didn’t report the incident until September 6th.
What’s important to note about the California missile incident is the both the initial response from the DOD and the non-definitive explanation after a 36-hour ‘investigation’, the ‘most likely an aircraft’ account.
CNN:
Col. Dave Lapan, a spokesman for the Pentagon, said later Tuesday that while there is no evidence that the contrail was left by a missile the department is still investigating.
No Defense Department units reported launches at the time. The North American Aerospace Defense Command and the U.S. Northern Command did not report any foreign missile launches off the California coast, Lapan added. Regardless, there was no threat to the United States, he said.
……
Lapan said that various agencies are trying to find out what happened.
“I don’t know specifically what they are all doing. I just know they have been pinged and that we are talking to the FAA, we are talking to other parts of the U.S. government. We are trying to do everything we can to figure out if anybody has any knowledge of what this event may have been,” Lapan said in off-camera comments to journalists.
“So far we have come up empty,” he added.
The response from the DOD, an email which didn’t state definitively the object was an aircraft, didn’t state what type of aircraft it was, or the actual flight of the aircraft.
FOX News:
“With all the information that we have gathered over the last day and a half about this condensation trail off the coast of southern California on Monday night, both within the DoD and other U.S. government agencies, we have no information to suggest this was anything other than a contrail caused by an aircraft,” said Col. David Lapan, a Pentagon spokesman.
“As stated yesterday, NORAD and USNORTHCOM determined that there was no threat to the U.S. homeland.”
Lapan said that in the mind of the DoD this case is closed.
Lapan said the government looked at lots of data sources other than the CBS news tape. He would not get into the details of what those data sources were, but said that evidence helped determine this was most likely an aircraft. But most importantly, it was the response from all other government agencies saying they did not launch anything that convinced them this was likely an aircraft.
Can you say X-37B?
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/22/air-forces-mystery-robot-spaceship-launch-nasa/
Perhaps a sea based delivery vehicle?
I’ll post what I received by email yesterday. I hesitated to post this last night when such a long, long thread was going on about this subject but now I say - why not throw this in the mix? You can google Aldo Norris but not come up with anything except the title of this email and even then, the email doesn’t appear - the title is on a Ron Paul blog but now what I’ve copied below. I noticed it refers to a 1Lt but the only service mentioned is Navy (and Seals) and I don’t believe they have 1Lt’s....something to chew on and kind of chilling if true! Nothing after this are my words. See below:
That Los Angeles UFO (exclusive)
Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 3:06am
From one of my sources. You will only ever read this here.
Yesterday something happened. Something that will receive little news coverage before being replaced with the same old shit again. 1Lt Aldo Norris gave his life yesterday to prevent what would have been the greatest catastrophe in American History. You will never hear his name again. You will never hear this story again. This is what happened off the coast of California.
I am only close enough to this to know the general facts, but I was never and probably will never be briefed on the details. Several months ago, a nuclear submarine, used by the Russian mafia to ferry drugs and people into the US from Venezuela was commandeered (or possibly purchased) by the Mexican drug lord Benito Torres. Torres was not considered one of the more dangerous kingpins, especially compared to other drug lords, but he had connections all over the world. Most notably, he was connected to the Taliban’s opium trade. Several years ago, the Taliban stole an MRBM from Pakistan. It had no ordnance, but was just the missile that could carry a nuclear warhead. Sometime about a year ago, tensions rose between the Taliban and Torres, likely due to pressure on the opium supply due to the coalition’s Operation Khanjar. The missile was traded to Torres, likely as a way to make up for lost profit.
We don’t know where they got the warhead. I am not classified high enough to know the size or type of weapon it was. I can guess from the damage estimates that it was either nuclear or chemical, as it was projected to cause massive casualties within the first 48 hours and deny entry to the target area for an extended period.
An informant within Torres’ organization tipped us off to the warhead. Torres was not a priority target until then, because Mexico wants to deal with its own drug lords and because it saves us money, we let them. A non-government power in possession of a WMD, however voids all treaties. Three days ago, our team was dispatched to secure the weapon. I do not have access to the full debriefs, as they were just completed a few hours ago. I only know what it is my job to know. At some point the submarine, missile, and warhead were put together in a crude, but effective manner. The team’s insertion was delayed due to political bullshit at the pentagon about getting approval. In that time, the submarine was launched with a heading towards Los Angeles. Our team, supported now by a SEAL team was able to intercept and board the submarine.
Damage from the entry caused the submarine’s reactor to begin leaking radiation. The strike team was forced to disengage and escape. Lieutenant Norris was injured in the fight aboard the submarine and was unable to disengage without endangering the team. Left alone, he was instructed via radio on the disarming of the warhead. He did so successfully, but the missile’s launch sequence was a separate system that couldn’t be stopped. Lieutenant Norris depressurized the submarine to stop the launch, giving his life in the process. The launch still occurred, but the missile had no guidance, It was vaporized by a defense laser at 200,000 ft.
Take it as you will. I’m posting this here because no credible record will ever be taken. I just wanted to let you know what sacrifices were made. I will not answer any questions. I will not post any response. This will be the last you hear from me on this subject.
was there not one single RADAR looking west to say if it was traveling at altitude or ascending??? NOT ONE??????
It would be easier to believe a Chinese sub launched a dummy missile to send us a message than to believe they managed to hack into a boomer’s fire control system.
It wouldn’t be too hard to see them giving us a few minutes advanced notice of a launch in a certain area to make sure we didn’t launch a retaliatory strike. Our government would never admit to us that they had allowed them to get so close without being detected.
The "missile":
Same angle, same time, next day: US Airways Flight 808:
More here:
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808
Where did the boosters, which should separate and drop away go?
Secret new missile, ready for the "holiday season" a missile tow.
In the video, is the missile going up or down?
Depends if you are a yank or an aussie
How comes there’s no burning exhaust plume?
They had to put catalytic converts on it as to not contribute to globull warming.
That’s a very good imitation of early Tom Clancy using plausible modern geopolitical details, right up to the last two paragraphs, which are so over-the-top and maudlin as to spoil the whole tale.
Too bad.
Whoever wrote it, “only here and nowhere else”, sure sucks at containment.
It’s everywhere:
Live fire test of a anti missle system.
I doubt that it has ever been U.S. policy to launch on warning. But most certainly if we had detected an "authorized" launch we would have responded with higher alert throughout the defense department. We didn't respond.
That’s what I found when I googled also but sure didn’t see anything that looked familiar to the email that I received and posted.
I think the “only here and nowhere else”, the writer was speaking about a public acknowledgement of the story...
Another reason it couldn't be a missile...the California Air Resources Board (CARB) would be all over the perp by now with violations and fines! (Particulate matter PM-10/ NOx/CO2). ;-)
Now, THAT is just absurd. No offense.
About as absurd finding people in this country illegally, that were found wandering around the inside of Bush's Homeland Security Chief's, private residence...
During war time yet.
Buffs sure have longevity.
“So far we have come up empty,” he added.
Ehhhh, what does he know? He obviously doesn't read the internet where it has been proved beyond any shadow of a doubt to be a unicorn rainbow. /s
The pilot said he was out there a day or two before this ‘videotaped incident’, and he saw the same thing.
Then why report it as if it was an anamoly?
I am not suggesting YOU are doing anything wrong.
However, if what you posted is accurate (and I doubt it is) I think the guy that wrote it should be par-boiled and hung outside for the coyotes to chew on. What is it these days with people just blowing off their clearance and writing BS on the internet.
I would believe Iran, Israel, or idiot NORKs before I would believe the Chinese.
I just dont understand what they would expect to happen as a result of a launch to “scare” us.
If they coughed and suggested they were going to sell 1/2 of their TBills on the open market, it would put us out of business in about ten seconds. Panic would race through the markets, and it would stop our economy dead.
That type of scare would be much more effective than any scary missile pointed out to sea.
And the half life of the uranium tip would be about half as effective. Perhaps in the 31st century they have come up with a way to deal with that.
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