A report posted today at a CNN website claims the "mystery missile launch" on Monday was actually a Chinese missile test. According to the report:Posted on 11/12/2010 7:02:24 PM PST by Korah
A report posted today at a CNN website claims the "mystery missile launch" on Monday was actually a Chinese missile test. According to the report:
China flexed its military muscle Monday evening in the skies west of Los Angeles when a Chinese Navy Jin class ballistic missile nuclear submarine, deployed secretly from its underground home base on the south coast of Hainan island, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile from international waters off the southern California coast. WMR’s intelligence sources in Asia, including Japan, say the belief by the military commands in Asia and the intelligence services is that the Chinese decided to demonstrate to the United States its capabilities on the eve of the G-20 Summit in Seoul and the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Tokyo, where President Obama is scheduled to attend during his ten-day trip to Asia.
However, the report - placed on CNN's user-generated iReport site - has yet to be vetted or confirmed by CNN, and is full of un-named, unquoted sources. The only link provided goes to a site with basically the same report - again, with no corroboration.
The source of the report is one Wayne Madsen, who once claimed Wikileaks was a CIA operation, and that Al-Qaeda was a front for the military-industrial complex.
No other news organization is reporting the incident as part of a Chinese missile test at this time.
A much less sinister explanation is provided by a site called "Contrail Science".
According to a report at that site, the CBS camera crew probably captured Flight AWE808 from Hawaii to Phoenix, and the perspective of the the viewer made the contrail appear to be a ballistic missile being launched, possibly, from a submarine.
The site reports a very similar incident:
An interesting contrail cropped up off the coast of San Clemente, Orange County, California on December 31st 2009. The curious shape led.......
See #195.
I was wondering what happened to the original reporters. Wish someone on FNC would interview them. It would help clear up some of the fog. At least they weren't swept away to Area 51 or something kooky like that.
Oh go take a shower. We've had some kooky discussions during the Clinton years(Flight 800, The List, Ron Brown's death, OKC Bombing,...) and we're still here.
Washington state, not DC. But Microsoft is based in Redmon WA. Lots of mainframes there. Also a Naval Airstation there in Seattle.
Reading through this thread can give one a headache, but let’s start over anyway.
I watched the footage frame by frame ultraslow. The separation was clear. After the separation, ONE contrail became two.
I have seen people wonder where an unfriendly sub might disappear to after taking such a risky shot. How about UNDER a conveniently dead in the water floating city?
Ship 55 miles out.
Shot 35 miles out.
TE, did you look at the proximity between those two events on the maps I posted?
By the way, I wonder if anyone bothered to watch the video at the Examiner's link and the young guy who pretty much explained it all......
we would see them at periscope depth looking at blacks beach
Then there is this interesting abstract from an online article. Got to run. Later.
Thinking About Future Naval Ballistic Missile Defense
Excerpt follows.
The biggest challenge in the future of Navy ballistic missile defense is fielding the missile launching system. Theater ballistic missile interceptors are too long for existing vertical launch systems used to launch missiles from surface combatants. Indeed ground based interceptors for BMD are so large, that the 24,000 ton LPD-17 hull has been discussed as a possible hull for deploying long range BMD interceptors in the future. While I believe the detection of ballistic missiles will remain primarily a surface warfare role, I expect that by 2020 we will be talking about ballistic missile defense interceptors being launched from underwater.
There are various competing ideas how submarines may operate in the future, and that future may be closer than people think. One side effect of fielding the Ohio class SSGN on the submarine warfare community has been a wealth of creativity on what is possible when submerged submarines in forward areas are integrated into communication networks and are able to access remote systems. Has anyone noticed the Navy has never listed a SSGN on any future fleet plan in the past? Have you ever wondered why? The operational concepts emerging from the development and experimentation of unmanned underwater vehicles in the underwater warfare community have led to the conceptual development of new potential strike options for underwater warfare.
The “battle box” concept is one such emerging concept, and could potentially play a major role in future ballistic missile defense. The battle box concept is not new, indeed it is similar to a program developed during WWII in Nazi Germany, stolen and tested by the Soviets in the 1950s in a program known as the Golem submarine towed missile launcher.
The idea is for an attack submarine to tow a large container system when deploying forward, and park the battle box in the middle of the sea – underwater – in its patrol zone. The battle box would remain submerged and stationary in the patrol zone, remain linked to the submarines network, and carry a strike payload on behalf of the submarine. For example, a “battle box” could potentially be 80′x30′x30′, and once towed into location pivot 90 degrees to wait in deep water. Stationary underwater, the battle box becomes a stealthy weapon system giving a remote operator the capability to surface the battle box to ~30′ and launch missile payloads at enemy targets. In the AEGIS ballistic missile defense network, a battle box would act as a stealthy underwater missile silo for large ballistic missile defense interceptors.
That wasn’t what I was thinking. Tired now. Will ‘splain later.
Yep, Washington State. My bad. Robbie isn’t that deep into .Gov-land, maybe ;).
The frenetic “must-push” attitude still has me very curious.
That post is all interesting stuff and fun technical talk, but it is completely irrelevant and speculative. And I strongly disagree with the last sentence. 500 mph at 8 miles away, and heading more perpendicular to your line of sight is MUCH more difficult to track than 5,000 mph at 100 miles away traveling closer to parallel to your line of sight.
BTW, fwiw, I used to have a zoom lens and doubler for my Canon A1 back in the early 80’s. The double degraded the picture too much via dark and blurry corners and overall contrast to the point that it didn’t take me long to stop using it. I was young and cheap - It was all about “my lens is bigger than yours”. :)
My friend that I went to Hawaii with last week is a Leica rnagefinder film camera nut (he shot 8 rolls while we were there). He just bought one with the Zeiss f .95 50mm lens for around $150 at a junk/antique shop last spring. It cost him $200 to refurbish the camera and he just sold the lens on the internet for $1,600 (he was asking $2,500). He put different glass on the camera because the .95 lens was way too big (diameter), heavy and impractical, but the guy that bought it just had to have the “one of a kind” lens. That thing weighed a ton. It was like holding a big flat hand full of glass. My friend is doing these sort of deals to build up his funds for a super Leica digital setup.
And yeah, wide open it had almost no DOF. And the guy he sold it to got a great deal, relative to the lenses actual value.
>>That is called tunnel vision.
Nah. When it comes to Robbie here, it’s called desperation.<<
You now talking EXACTLY like the global warming nuts talked on this thread here: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=2493406
Sometimes when I posted more clear and damning/clarifying information they would call me desperate, even though it was THEIR arguments that became sillier and, by definition, desperate. It was LITERALLY comical. And they loved to call me Robbie. Both were forms of Ad-hominem
The picture is now complete. I’m “Arguing With Idiots”* on both threads.
*reference to Glenn Beck’s definition of the phrase in the book of the same name.
>>Oh go take a shower. We’ve had some kooky discussions during the Clinton years(Flight 800, The List, Ron Brown’s death, OKC Bombing,...) and we’re still here.<<
But there was actually evidence that is still unexplained in those two cases. e.g. The eyewitnesses to the events that contradict the official story.
Apples and oranges.
Now, if we were arguing, ad-nausium, who REALLY took down the twin towers, I’d agree with you. But we’re not.
Are you on any other forums? Kos? DU?
>>;).
The frenetic “must-push” attitude still has me very curious.<<
It is the same attitude I had when arguing with Truthers about 911 on another site about 8 years ago. I finally gave up because I didn’t care about the reputation of the site and just considered the source.
I’m dropping out of this one with a bit of a “shake the dust off your feet” attitude.
Others and I have posted enough information here to utterly destroy the idea that the contrail is a missile. There is really nothing more than for the jurers to deliberate. I’ve been on the jury on two long and technical civil suits. In both cases, even though the evidence was overwhelming, there were two holdouts that simply would not listen to reason and remove their pre-conceived notions. In both cases we came to 10-2 decisions (enough) and ten of us walked away realizing we had “argued with idiots”.
It happens.
You kids have fun.
No other political forums. I belong to an audiophile equipment collector’s site, a farmers site and a couple of sites for the cars I own.
>>Are you .Gov connected? I ask because you list yourself in the DC area, <<
I list myself in Washington state. And I need to update. I have not done mainframe since around 2003. The rest is accurate. I’ve never worked in the government. I never even served in the armed forces.
>>My bad. Robbie isn’t that deep into .Gov-land, maybe
Nope. I bought a 13 acre farm in central Kentucky about a week before President Erkel was elected. We got ~500 bales of hay off our first cutting this year. We’re trying to permanently move out there. As it is, we fly out about ten times a year.
In that last sentence is a hint at how I may be interested in the subject and have some expertise.
Here is a shot from the next day. Judge for yourself.
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