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Falcon Lake: Case Closed? Five Remaining Oddities In A Very Weird Case
Houston Press Blogs ^ | Fri., Oct. 15 2010 | John Nova Lomax

Posted on 10/16/2010 5:27:24 PM PDT by Reeses

After the murder and decapitation of one of their own, Mexican investigators are calling off the search for David Hartley's body, temporarily at least.

So, is it case closed? Is STRATFOR's theory -- that Hartley was gunned down by Zeta thugs who believed he was a scout for the rival Gulf Cartel -- correct?

Perhaps. But we are still in befuddlement at some the statements Tiffany Young-Hartley has given the media over the past two weeks, as well as some other elements of the case. First, there's that whole magic bullet thing, where she claims to have seen her husband lifted over the handlebars of his speeding jet-ski by the kill-shot that ripped through his head, a scenario that would appear to violate some basic laws of physics.

And then there are five more strange ones To wit:

1.Her Christ-like empathy toward her doubters.

"I have to put myself in their view that I can understand why they would think that, but...it is true and he is over there and I know I know the pirates or whoever did this have him."

If you saw your spouse killed and the authorities openly doubted your account, would you be able to find the compassion inside yourself to empathize with your doubters?

2. Young-Hartley also seems to believe God himself helped her craft an alibi:

"We have points of being pulled over and being at Subway with the border patrol seeing us there. It just, you know, shows my story that, yeah, David and I were there together, we were at the boat launch together, you know, we had got stopped and Subway and that, you know, everything happened exactly the way I've been telling you guys.

"Me being a Christian and believing in God, I believe he lined all that up; he lined up the traffic stop, he lined up us going to Subway and having the Border Patrol there so my story would be supported by events that happened," she said.

(Did He also line up Hartley's face in the pirate's gunsights?)

It's interesting how closely Tiffany's account mirrors that of "the Good Samaritan," the completely anonymous sole eyewitness to these events. Masked and with his voice disguised, the Good Samaritan had this to say to TV station KRGV: "He believes he was meant to be at Falcon Lake that day. He believes God put him there to help Hartley. He was at the right place at the right time."

3. Three's the matter of the lie detector.

After telling CNN "If that's what the authorities think I need to do, then that might be an option," she has done an about-face and claimed that there is no need.

4. The strange 911 call.

Dr Lillian Glass is a body-language expert. During a conversation with Hair Balls yesterday, she put us on call-waiting so she could firm up a training session with the Los Angeles Police Department -- she says she helps train their detectives on ferreting out deception.

One of the many, many things that has alarmed her about Young-Hartley's demeanor and statements over the past couple of weeks was the very first word she uttered when she called 911. Namely, she said "Hello." In her view, that is not the action of a truly frantic person. She says that people who are genuinely terrified or distraught simply launch right into the reason they dialed 911 -- they don't take the time to exchange pleasantries or salutations.

5. The Hartleys financial situation.

On March 7, Tiffany Young-Hartley posted on her Facebook page that she and David had driven from Reynosa to San Antonio to hear debt counselor / financial advisor Dave Ramsey speak. "Even better in person then on the radio," she wrote. "If you get a chance to see him live 'GO'. He has helped so many people get out of debt and stay on a budget that works. Luckily we are ahead of the game, but now were on track for our future."

Apparently that future arrived fast, because on April 23, she reported that she and her husband were about to take a Carnival cruise to Jamaica, Grand Cayman and Cozumel.

In early June, she was buying an entire houseful of furniture for their new digs in McAllen, where the couple had just been sent by David's employer CalFrac Well Services. The cartel violence in their former home of Reynosa had risen to unacceptable levels, it was later explained.

At any rate, Young-Hartley and David did not enjoy the nesting process: "This is a long process and doesn't help that David and I don't have the same taste," she wrote. "So agreeing on anything is almost impossible. I think were each going to take a room and decorate it ourselves. Furnishing a whole house is no fun....."

A couple of weeks later, the fateful Jet-Skis make their first appearance:

"Got to enjoy the Jet Skies this morning then Davids skie broke, so our trip was cut short" And Young-Hartley also wrote that she hoped their stay in McAllen would last longer than seven months.

Just a few days before their disastrous trip to Falcon Lake, Young-Hartley gushed about her wonderful husband and their recent trip to Key West, a jaunt which included a diving expedition.

And at some point during that time, it was decided that Hartley's services in South Texas were no longer required. He would be getting some sort of transfer back to Colorado, where both of them were from. It was very vague, and Tiffany said that the two of them would likely be living in a hotel until the kinks were worked out.

So, in the six or seven months after driving about 500 miles round-trip to attend a session of Financial Peace University, the couple furnished a home, took two pretty fantastic vacations, bought two Jet-Skis, and planned a cross-country move and extended hotel stay, all as the husband lost his oil field job.

It waslike someone posting "Went to my first AA meeting" as their status and following it up days later with beer-pong pictures.

Did they simply disregard Ramsey's advice on "living on less than you make," or did they get a sudden influx of cash? And if so, where did that cash come from?


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: falconlake; tiffanyhartley
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To: stocksthatgoup
I suppose in Jersey or Delaware or Moldova, that could happen, but complex conspiracies don't last well down here in the heat.

And blunt SOBs that drill to the point.

But your comment and sarcasm are well appreciated.

/johnny

21 posted on 10/16/2010 6:05:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Reeses

We should just take the lake over and chase the bugs south.


22 posted on 10/16/2010 6:06:55 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: Reeses

For crying out loud....the “Television generation” seems to be in charge. If my wife were to drop dead of a heart attack in our kitchen, I guess I’m supposed to now assume that I’m going to be accused of a conspiratorial murder.


23 posted on 10/16/2010 6:07:36 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: Krankor

“This is an insurance scam.”

Possibly, but why go to all the trouble of creating a ‘pirate’ story when they could have easily just said he drowned.

Have they recovered the jet ski?


24 posted on 10/16/2010 6:07:46 PM PDT by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote! DeMint, 2012)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I always wondered where Greta got her ratings.

Too many people spend too much time playing detective based on limited and misrepresented “evidence” presented by TV attorneys who are seeking attention.

I myself had doubts in the beginning but chose to keep my mouth shut because lots of wierd crap happens on the border. Now I tend to lean toward her telling the truth.


25 posted on 10/16/2010 6:07:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ErnBatavia
If my wife were to drop dead of a heart attack in our kitchen,

Yet again, another reason to remain single. I'm the only one around here that can drop dead except for the catz, and they are wait for me do that.

/johnny

26 posted on 10/16/2010 6:11:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>Co-operating with police is stupid. Really stupid if you are guilty, more so, if you are innocent.

I hate to have to agree with you on that latter, but I am forced to strongly agree based on the way the world works these days, with way too many overzealous cops and prosecutors trying to make names for themselves. This guy explains it really, really well:

Don’t Talk to Cops, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Well worth watching.


27 posted on 10/16/2010 6:12:16 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Reeses

With all the violence and mayhem on the border, why would anyone go to a border lake to cavort on a jet ski? Or is this particular area supposed to be relatively safe?


28 posted on 10/16/2010 6:13:09 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
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To: ErnBatavia
I guess I’m supposed to now assume that I’m going to be accused of a conspiratorial murder.

Gloria Allred would produce a witness who saw you "arguing". Another attornopundit, would find reason to believe you wife was planning to leave you. They'd be digging through your trash declaring you to be buried under a mountain of bills a potential alcoholic drug addict.

As far as I'm concerned the media is doing just as much damage in the country as the courts themselves. Lord knows how many cases they've influenced to keep the ratings up.
29 posted on 10/16/2010 6:14:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for posting that link. It’s an important video to watch.


30 posted on 10/16/2010 6:15:05 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: JRandomFreeper
if I got accused, I'm lawyering up, and the lawyer says "no comment".

No one is accusing her of murder, but she does seem to be covering for someone else. There's only one way two people can keep a secret, so the truth will come out in this case. She has no lawyer other than maybe a media rep. If she did she wouldn't be giving interviews, with shifting facts and claims. She's flip-flopping which is a red flag.

31 posted on 10/16/2010 6:17:04 PM PDT by Reeses (Now is the autumn of our discontent.)
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To: Wife of D28Man
why would anyone go to a border lake to cavort on a jet ski?

Because we play where we live, and expect to live through it.

Too bad they didn't have stainless firearms with them.

/johnny

32 posted on 10/16/2010 6:18:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Reeses
In Texas, if you assist, before, during or after a murder, you get the needle, too.

She's a freaking human. She's going to be inconsistant, stupid, and not let her lawyer talk. It's her first brush with the 'justice system'. She'll learn.

I still say you own a television. And watch it.

/johnny

33 posted on 10/16/2010 6:22:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Krankor

Either that or they were involved in the drug trade.


34 posted on 10/16/2010 6:23:57 PM PDT by hockeyfan (Keep the Change!)
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To: FreedomPoster
I hate to have to agree with you on that latter, but I am forced to strongly agree based on the way the world works these days, with way too many overzealous cops and prosecutors trying to make names for themselves.

The Machine is on automatic, and in overdrive.

Gotta pay for those nice pensions @ 50, and justify the oversized salaries & bennies now.

35 posted on 10/16/2010 6:24:10 PM PDT by kiryandil
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To: JRandomFreeper
In Texas, if you assist, before, during or after a murder, you get the needle, too.

Which is why the murder took place on the Mexico side. She's stated she will never set foot again there under any circumstances, probably because she's at risk of arrest on her fishy story.

I watch no TV other than a few news video clips on the internet. Her interviews are off the charts deceptive. I take it you've never known a deceptive girl like this.

36 posted on 10/16/2010 6:38:46 PM PDT by Reeses (Now is the autumn of our discontent.)
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To: Fishtalk; Reeses
I did propose building a fence around the US side of the lake and having the Mexican Army take out after the other side of the lake in one of those old fashioned "beater" techniques.

Anyone who tried to cross during the exercise would be cut down by machinegun fire or something comparable.

Then, when the pukes are all out there on the Mexican shoreline we use a tactical nuke on them.

Is there some problem here?

37 posted on 10/16/2010 6:39:08 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: Reeses
Go back to the very beginning when David was shot OFF his Jet Ski.

I can't recall Tiffany mentioning what was going on with his craft after he Fell Off? Did it circle? Did she have to dangerously maneuver around the circling Jet Ski to get to him? OR did it come to a complete halt? WTH?

Jet Ski Safety:

" Most models have an automatic cut-off lanyard (which must be attached to the operator’s wrist or life jacket at all times) or self-circling feature to prevent a Jet Ski from going far from a driver who has fallen off.

Uhmm, excuse me "One more thing, ma'am"..

38 posted on 10/16/2010 6:40:58 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Reeses

You sound as obsessive as someone using adderal.


39 posted on 10/16/2010 6:41:38 PM PDT by muawiyah ("GIT OUT THE WAY" The Republicans are coming)
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To: Reeses

This is total salderous suposition. Guilty because how she holds her body. Guilty because she is peaceful....

Horsehockeys!!!


40 posted on 10/16/2010 6:42:05 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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